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Old 05-01-2013, 08:45 PM   #46
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I didn't draw it, but it works just fine.
thats the thing though! im having a hard time following the splices but it looks like the light is wired through the switches, if not then it only works one way


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thats the thing though! it only functions one way, the other way is a loop back on it self
It works fine... gezz....
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thats the thing though! im having a hard time following the splices but it looks like the light is wired through the switches, if not then it only works one way
Then take my word for it that it works just fine...
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Then take my word for it that it works just fine...
I can't take your word for it, im having a hard time figuring whats spliced because, it doesnt follow a specific diagram structure, if you could tell me your interpretation of it maybe i could understand, but for right now i just can't.
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I can't take your word for it, im having a hard time figuring whats spliced because, it doesnt follow a specific diagram structure, if you could tell me your interpretation of it maybe i could understand, but for right now i just can't.
I dont understand? its a simple 3-way...
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Well for one, this path in the picture negates any of the switching going on
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Well for one, this path in the picture negates any of the switching going on

No it doesn't, look at where the common screw is... you're going to laugh at yourself when you finally see what is going on.

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No it doesn't, look at where the common screw is... you're going to laugh at yourself when you finally see what is going on.
hold on....that CENTER MARK is a light fixture? be that as it may that it "works" its still not right, the current needs to travel back the path it came. if not by neutral, by switch loop.

Let me ask you something, would you pull a permit and put your license on the line and wire someones house this way? I certainly would not.
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hold on....that CENTER MARK is a light fixture? be that as it may that it "works" its still not right, the current needs to travel back the path it came. if not by neutral, by switch loop.

Let me ask you something, would you pull a permit and put your license on the line and wire someones house this way? I certainly would not.
i think you are over your head on this one... lol, its almost 100% code complaint, just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it wrong... the diagram does suffer a minor violation of 310.4 but other than that, its legit.
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hold on....that CENTER MARK is a light fixture?
It has to turn on something, right?

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be that as it may that it "works" its still not right, the current needs to travel back the path it came. if not by neutral, by switch loop.
Be as you see it, it is code compliant except for the conductor in parallel.

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Let me ask you something, would you pull a permit and put your license on the line and wire someones house this way? I certainly would not.
What is it that you think is wrong with it?
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i think you are over your head on this one... lol, its almost 100% code complaint, just because you don't understand it, doesn't make it wrong... the diagram does suffer a minor violation of 310.4 but other than that, its legit.
just because me and that other guy havent found a code article yet, doesnt mean im "over my head" or that its right. but other than that would you wire someones house like this?
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just because me and that other guy havent found a code article yet, doesnt mean im "over my head" or that its right. but other than that would you wire someones house like this?
I already posted the code sections that allow it, Im so confused on what the issue is??????????

and yes, whats wrong with it, other than you are not familiar with it?


It wouldn't be my go-to method of wiring 3-ways, but if the scenario were to exist, I would not hesitate to wire with this diagram.

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I already posted the code sections that allow it, Im so confused on what the issue is??????????

and yes, whats wrong with it, other than you are not familiar with it?

It wouldn't be my go-to method of wiring 3-ways, but if the scenario were to exist, I would not hesitate to wire with this diagram.
I know electrical theory through and through, my only hang-up was the improperly drawn diagram. Now that I know the center mark is in fact a light, I understand the idea behind it. The issue is what conductors you have the current traveling. I still believe there is an article that we either missed or was misinterpreted. As far as im concerned, the jury is still out on this one.
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I know electrical theory through and through, my only hang-up was the improperly drawn diagram. Now that I know the center mark is in fact a light, I understand the idea behind it. The issue is what conductors you have the current traveling. I still believe there is an article that we either missed or was misinterpreted. As far as im concerned, the jury is still out on this one.
Dude, i actually posted where it is allowed.... accept that... phew....

and what improperly drawn diagram? it was basic electrician art...
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Dude, i actually posted where it is allowed.... accept that... phew....

and what improperly drawn diagram? it was basic electrician art...
The light is usually a different symbol on a line diagram. The symbol on your pic is a center mark. It threw me off

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