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Old 03-28-2012, 07:07 AM   #46
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I really hope that if you took sublime2's advice on a plate and wire type that he used the correct clamps for both ends of the cable and used anti short bushings.

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The cover Sublime posted a picture of would be illegal to install on a plastic box. It wouldn't be grounded unless you used type AC cable between the dishwasher and that cover.

I know you are going to look at everything I'm saying as nit-picky, I'm trying to illustrate that there is a right way to do things and a wrong way.
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Lol. Pathetic!
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Please elaborate?
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How about instead of picking apart my suggestions you tell him the consequences of doing the way I suggested.
Other then it being up to code.
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I have told him the correct way to do it multiple times. I have explained why your way would be illegal.

If you want me to give you a specific example of how this might be dangerous, here you go:

It appears that he used some sort of cord to connect the dishwasher and the junction box. If the conductors were nicked and came in contact with the cover that cover could be energized. A plumber comes over to service the dishwasher, but he doesn't have to remove it so there is no need to turn power off at the breaker. He reaches in back to check a fitting, brushes against the energized plate and because it is very likely that he is touching some other part of the dishwasher, he will get shocked.
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It appears that he used some sort of cord to connect the dishwasher and the junction box.
really?
I think your well aware of the fact that he is using AC cable to make the connection.(remember you corrected us on the semantics/terminology of BX-AC)
As far as a knicked wire,wouldn't that possibility also exist when putting a cord on or pulling on the cord he knicked a wire.

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you mean not up to code.
illegal makes it sound like he can go to jail for it............
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you mean not up to code.
illegal makes it sound like he can go to jail for it............
Service person gets injured or killed by his poor wiring and it could be the case. He did not state he was using AC cable and if he did he probably did not know to use anti short bushings.
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really?
I think your well aware of the fact that he is using AC cable to make the connection.(remember you corrected us on the semantics/terminology of BX-AC)
As far as a knicked wire,wouldn't that possibility also exist when putting a cord on or pulling on the cord he knicked a wire.


you mean not up to code.
illegal makes it sound like he can go to jail for it............
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thanks for the twist recommendation, sublime. i'll replace that cable this weekend.
I will amend my assumption to the new assumption of him reusing the 12-2 he showed us in the picture. Still not legal for that cover, unless there is an approved connector and the plate is grounded.

If the cord was installed properly, the dishwasher would be grounded. If a nicked hot came in contact with metal on the dishwasher, it would short out, and the breaker would trip. Without the dishwasher being grounded, the entire dishwasher could become energized.
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Service person gets injured or killed by his poor wiring and it could be the case. He did not state he was using AC cable and probably did not know to use anti short bushings.

So now the OP is incompetent?
that's what your implying with
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i'm sure the possibilitys are endless..............
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I'm done. I've explained the correct way to do it. I've explained why the way you recommended he do it is illegal. I've explained what could potentially happen doing it incorrectly. Now its up to him to decide what he wants to do. It's not my house, my insurance, my conscience, or my problem anymore.

And, the cable you posted a picture of, that isn't type AC cable, its MC cable and still would be illegal to use unless the metal plate was grounded.

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Now its up to him to decide what he wants to do.
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guys.. i aim to replace it with an outlet and wire a traditional connector up.... and i'll look into these bushings you referred to.

no need to argue on this one. i'm willing to do it the right way - i just have to find out what the right way is. right now is just my band aid to get the kitchen together. i can easily take care of figuring out what would be proper now.

i'll be at lowes a decent bit this weekend for gardening/landscape stuff. it will be simple enough to do a bit of research before then and figure it out.
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it's a frigidaire.
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The dishwasher can be put on a 14-2 (with ground) appliance cord legally as the dishwasher itself doesn't need a 20A circuit.

The branch circuit wiring needs to be rated at 20A when both the dishwasher and the disposal are supplied by the same branch circuit.

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