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Old 05-14-2013, 10:47 PM   #16
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"There have been 60 electrocutions and nearly
50 serious electrical shocks, involving electrical
hazards in and around swimming pools, since
1990."

Only 110 since 1990? 4.78 per year ain't bad, considering the number of above ground pools in the US. Just kidding, 1 is too many.
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I revised step 3 of my plans after researching further:

3) Run #8 solid copper wire around perimeter of pool (18"-24" from pool wall / 4-6" deep) and attach securely to at least 4 points on pool, pump motor and bond with water. Also run under walkways with 3 feet of pool in a 12" x 12" grid pattern. (Ladder and light are not metal)
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What I am not sure of is, can a regular gfci be used outside or is a twist lock type of outlet required?

Is a maintenance disconnect required?
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Thanks mpoulton for the link to article 680 tutorial. I had a chance to read it and have come up with the following plan below.
1) Run 1/2-in PVC conduit underground direct from panel to GFI mounted at least 5ft from inside walls of pool (pool is within 10 ft of dwelling - restricted space)
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A maintenance disconnect is not required correct? Pump and light both have plugs which will be plugged into GFI outlet.
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What I am not sure of is, can a regular gfci be used outside or is a twist lock type of outlet required?

Is a maintenance disconnect required?
You need to keep reading.

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What I am not sure of is, can a regular gfci be used outside or is a twist lock type of outlet required?

Is a maintenance disconnect required?

you would need WP GFI .. water proof ....

and an "IN USE COVER" ... on a waterproof box..


best i know a cord and plug would suffice as the disconnect.
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Code contradiction, the receptacle is required to be twistlock, but you will not find a pump with a twistlock cord cap.
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680.7 Cord-and-Plug-Connected Equipment.
Fixed or stationary pool, outdoor spa and hot tub equipment is permitted to be cord-and-plug-connected to facilitate the removal or disconnection for maintenance or repair. The flexible cord shall:
(A) Length. Except for storable pools, the cord shall not exceed 3 ft.
(B) Equipment Grounding. The cord shall have a copper equipment grounding conductor not smaller than 12 AWG that terminates to a grounding-type attachment plug.
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680.21 Motors.

680.21(A)(5)

(5) Cord-and-Plug Connections. Cords not exceeding 3 ft, with an attachment plug, and containing an equipment grounding conductor, shall be permitted for pool, outdoor spa, and hot tub motors.
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Only 110 since 1990? 4.78 per year ain't bad, considering the number of above ground pools in the US. Just kidding, 1 is too many.
Wow, you're hilarious. Have you ever been shocked badly? I'm guessing not.
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Thanks Philly, must have been a change that wasn't covered during one of the code update classes.
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you would need WP GFI .. water proof ....

and an "IN USE COVER" ... on a waterproof box..


best i know a cord and plug would suffice as the disconnect.
WP stands for weatherproof
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Ok....lol I yield. Your right.... I cannot resist would that be damp or wet locations ?...
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Code contradiction, the receptacle is required to be twistlock, but you will not find a pump with a twistlock cord cap.
If the receptacle for the pool filter is no less than 10' away from the pool it can be a standard receptacle. However, the standard receptacle has to be horsepower rated if it is used as the disconnect. If the receptacle is not less than 6' away it has to be a twist lock, GFI protected and horsepower rated.

Of course you could always pipe it directly from the main panel with #14 black and white. Put a 25A breaker on it. Hard wire the pump and use a standard non-GFI breaker. Oh and use UF for the convenience receptacle and connect it to a general purpose circuit.
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