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Old 06-18-2014, 04:41 AM   #31
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It would be nice if there was a place on the interwebs where I could get some help.
What can I do to make sure an electrician does the job right?


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Old 06-18-2014, 04:48 AM   #32
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It would be nice if there was a place on the interwebs where I could get some help.
What can I do to make sure an electrician does the job right?
Seriously man, this boneheaded idea is going to be hovering at the top of my list for a long time.

You know what needs to be done. Run a 4th wire and isolate the neutral/ground in the sub. If anyone suggests differently, it's going to be wrong.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:52 AM   #33
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Actually, I dont know what needs to be done - since Im not an electrician...
Thats why I came here... Not to be mocked for not being an electrician!
Everything I read says grounding can be the most confusing part of electricity. Im not sure why Im made fun of for not understanding everything about electricity. I came here for answers.
It has 4 wires if that includes ground.
Over the phone I mentioned to him about removing the bonding screw and he said something about putting a grounding rod in. He didnt have a look or anything.
Sounds like he didnt understand what I said, or I didnt understand him.
If all that needs to be done is removing the bonding screw thats cool. Ill make sure thats all he does.

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Old 06-18-2014, 05:21 AM   #34
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I have to run but the posts in your thread tell what needs to be done. Having the 4th wire changes everything for the better. I would also be suspect of that light ballast thing with the green neutral. If it positively for sure is 240 and not 240/120 then the green wire is most likely a ground.
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:22 AM   #35
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It is 220V and has a 110V trigger cable for a timer
Its ul approved and etl listed
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:24 AM   #36
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Talked with an electrician who said he could just put a grounding rod in for the subs ground back at the main panel. That would separate them both at the main instead of modifying the sub. Would that be easier or better than just removing the bonding screw from the subpanel?


Ugh, no! Find yet another electrician that is knowledgable.
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Old 06-18-2014, 05:26 AM   #37
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It is 220V and has a 110V trigger cable for a timer
Its ul approved and etl listed
OK good that you know this. The subject of ground rods has not come up yet but needs to be discussed. I really have to go.
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Its in the same building as the main panel. Its like 15 ft away. I dont think they need separate rods
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Actually, I dont know what needs to be done - since Im not an electrician...
Thats why I came here... Not to be mocked for not being an electrician!
I hope you know that my comments were directed towards the electrician. I think everyone has been cordial and helpful to you. I was rushing to leave for work and I meant that your answers were already posted in this thread.
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Old 06-18-2014, 06:59 AM   #40
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Ok... so have the bonding screw removed and we are good. Nice...
I also noticed there was a bare ground wire going to neutral instead of ground. Thats fixed now.
One last question though...
Does the ground bar we installed on the panel need a riser kit? It didnt come with one

The wire going Down through the ground bar is the ground wire from the main panel

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The ground bar needs to be electrically connected to the pan with the proper screws so you are probably good to go.
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Actually, I dont know what needs to be done - since Im not an electrician...
Thats why I came here... Not to be mocked for not being an electrician!
Everything I read says grounding can be the most confusing part of electricity. Im not sure why Im made fun of for not understanding everything about electricity. I came here for answers.
It has 4 wires if that includes ground.
Over the phone I mentioned to him about removing the bonding screw and he said something about putting a grounding rod in. He didnt have a look or anything.
Sounds like he didnt understand what I said, or I didnt understand him.
If all that needs to be done is removing the bonding screw thats cool. Ill make sure thats all he does.
1 or 2 ground rods per structure. $ wires is correct. Bonding screw is removed. Any pics of the whole panel so I know what is going on for sure?
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Wheres the bonding screw?
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The label inside the panel will show where the bond screw or strap goes.
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Old 06-18-2014, 02:21 PM   #45
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So its just the screw there in the front of the panel?
I thought the panel might have to be removed.
Does the pin need to be taken out of the bond and put into the ground, or just taken out completely?

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