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Old 10-25-2013, 09:33 AM   #16
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In my area, homeowners haven't been allowed to pull electrical permits for a long time. However, as of this past March, anyone working on an electrical system had to be licensed by the State. They pushed that back for some reason to this upcoming year.
must be a local amendment. i don't believe there is a state requirement in wisconsin that a homeowner can't do their own work but i heard rumblings that folks were trying to get such legislation passed. in my municipality (central wisconsin), homeowners can do electrical work in their primary residence. this means the place they actually live and not just property they own (i.e. landlord can't work on his buildings).

and i will have to disagree with you about passing legislation requiring licensed contractors to do all the work. as long as work is permitted and inspected, i do not see an issue. if anything, the legislation will lead to MORE people doing work without inspections and permits, due to costs. i used to live in chicago and they have rules that homeowners can't do their own electrical work, other than replacing light bulbs and box covers (i.e. putting on a decorative wall plate). so if i want to swap out a snap switch with a dimmer, i would technically need to hire an electrician, have him pull a permit, etc. i would end up spending something like $100 to install a $10 switch. impractical and excessive.

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must be a local amendment. i don't believe there is a state requirement in wisconsin that a homeowner can't do their own work but i heard rumblings that folks were trying to get such legislation passed. in my municipality (central wisconsin), homeowners can do electrical work in their primary residence. this means the place they actually live and not just property they own (i.e. landlord can't work on his buildings).

and i will have to disagree with you about passing legislation requiring licensed contractors to do all the work. as long as work is permitted and inspected, i do not see an issue. if anything, the legislation will lead to MORE people doing work without inspections and permits, due to costs. i used to live in chicago and they have rules that homeowners can't do their own electrical work, other than replacing light bulbs and box covers (i.e. putting on a decorative wall plate). so if i want to swap out a snap switch with a dimmer, i would technically need to hire an electrician, have him pull a permit, etc. i would end up spending something like $100 to install a $10 switch. impractical and excessive.
State wide requirement. It was supposed to go in effect March 1 2013, but it was pushed back a year.
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Maybe it was April 1st.
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Maybe it was April 1st.
yeah, just found all the language. i didn't realize this was passed back in 2008 (didn't even live here at the time).

anyway, 101.864(a) explicitly exempts homeowners working on the residence they occupy from requiring to be licensed, unless a local ordnance requires licensing. so diyer's rejoice!

there are actually a whole bunch of exceptions to the requirement but none of it really relates to diy, except for maybe systems under 100 volts (i.e. landscape lighting) do not require a licensed electrician.
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101.864?


What you talkin about Willis?
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I have to disagree with some of you pros who think homeowners should be banned from doing electrical in their own home. All this would do is drive them underground and prevent them from getting permits and inspections. And what would be the point of this forum.

Maybe the scope of the work allowed under a homeowners permit should be limited but banning all work is going too far. Even having the homeowner take a basic electrical knowledge test before a permit is issued would be a good idea. How many times have we seen posters here that want to do brain surgery and they don't know how to clip their finger nails?


Although I consider myself a competent electrical DIYer, I would not install or replace my primary service or install a generator transfer switch for example. But I have installed branch circuits, subpanels and smaller tasks; and I think these are tasks a homeowner can do safely and in a code compliant manner.
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Although I consider myself a competent electrical DIYer, I would not install or replace my primary service or install a generator transfer switch for example. But I have installed branch circuits, subpanels and smaller tasks; and I think these are tasks a homeowner can do safely and in a code compliant manner.
in wisconsin anyway, someone building their own home would not be allowed to do the initial electrical under the new laws. they could only make modifications after a certificate of occupancy was issued.

looks like you are taking a common sense approach: if the work is beyond my skills/comfort level, i call in a pro.

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What you talkin about Willis?
bah, fat fingers. 101.862(4)(a).
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Where is chapter 101? That isn't even a valid number for the State electrical amendments.
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Where is chapter 101? That isn't even a valid number for the State electrical amendments.
ah, now i see what you're asking. 101 is the state legislature code. i'm guessing you're thinking of 316. 316 describes the 'technical' requirements whereas 101 describes the administrative requirements.
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fyi, here is the text that goes into effect in wisconsin on april 1, 2014


101.862  License, registration, or certification required.
(1)  No person may engage in the business of installing, repairing, or maintaining electrical wiring unless the person is licensed as an electrical contractor by the department.
(2) No person may install, repair, or maintain electrical wiring unless the person is licensed as an electrician by the department or unless the person is registered as a beginning electrician by the department.
(3) No person who is not a master electrician may install, repair, or maintain electrical wiring unless a master electrician is at all times responsible for the person's work.
(4) Subsections (1) to (3) do not apply to any of the following:
(a) A residential property owner who installs, repairs, or maintains electrical wiring on premises that the property owner owns and occupies as a residence, unless a license or registration issued by the department is required by local ordinance.
(b) A person engaged in maintaining or repairing electrical wiring within a facility or on premises owned or leased by the person or by an entity for which the person is an agent.
(c) A person engaged in installing, repairing, or maintaining electrical wiring, apparatus, or equipment for elevators and escalators.
(d) A person engaged in installing, repairing, or maintaining equipment or systems that operate at 100 volts or less.
(e) A person engaged in installing, repairing, or maintaining an electronic system designed to monitor a premises for the presence of an emergency, to issue an alarm for an emergency, or to detect and summon aid for an emergency.
(f) A person engaged in installing, repairing, or maintaining electrical wiring of transmission facilities, as defined in s. 196.01 (12).
(g) A person engaged in installing, repairing, or maintaining manufactured equipment or a manufactured system that is designed to provide a function that is not primarily electrical in nature if the installation, repair, or maintenance does not involve the modification or installation of conductors beyond the disconnecting point or beyond the last junction, pull, or device box, whichever is nearer to the point where the person is performing the installation, repair, or maintenance.
(h) A person engaged in installing electrical wiring for components of a manufactured home, as defined in s. 101.91 (2), or a manufactured building, as defined in s. 101.71 (6), while the manufactured home or the manufactured building is at or in the facility at which it is being manufactured.
(i) A person employed by an electricity provider, or a subcontractor of an electricity provider, who installs, repairs, or maintains electrical wiring for equipment that is installed in the normal course of providing utility services by the electricity provider.
(j) A person engaged in installing, repairing, or maintaining electrical wiring that provides lighting or signals for public thoroughfares and for public airports.
(k) A person engaged in installing, repairing, or maintaining electric lines on the utility side of substations and other distribution facilities owned or operated by customers or members of electricity providers.
(l) A person employed by an electricity provider, or a subcontractor of an electricity provider, who installs, repairs, or maintains primary voltage electric facilities that are owned by the electricity provider's customers or members and that operate at greater than 600 volts.
(m) A person employed by an electricity provider, or a subcontractor of an electricity provider, who restores service during an emergency.
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Although I consider myself a competent electrical DIYer, I would not install or replace my primary service or install a generator transfer switch for example. But I have installed branch circuits, subpanels and smaller tasks; and I think these are tasks a homeowner can do safely and in a code compliant manner.
I have friends that are DIY'ers that have done panel and generator work. The real issues in a skilled tradesman will do the change out in a day, a DIYer may take a extra long day or two or three
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I have friends that are DIY'ers that have done panel and generator work. The real issues in a skilled tradesman will do the change out in a day, a DIYer may take a extra long day or two or three
I'm thinking it's way more than that, but that's just my opinion. Im not putting down DIY work, hell, I do it everyday, you just have to know and accept your limits...
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I'm thinking it's way more than that, but that's just my opinion. Im not putting down DIY work, hell, I do it everyday, you just have to know and accept your limits...
Exactly, do not bite off more than you can chew. I have remodeled (major remodel) one house and built two others from the ground up. Doing everything, except brick work.

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I have to disagree with some of you pros who think homeowners should be banned from doing electrical in their own home. All this would do is drive them underground and prevent them from getting permits and inspections. And what would be the point of this forum.

Maybe the scope of the work allowed under a homeowners permit should be limited but banning all work is going too far. Even having the homeowner take a basic electrical knowledge test before a permit is issued would be a good idea. How many times have we seen posters here that want to do brain surgery and they don't know how to clip their finger nails?


Although I consider myself a competent electrical DIYer, I would not install or replace my primary service or install a generator transfer switch for example. But I have installed branch circuits, subpanels and smaller tasks; and I think these are tasks a homeowner can do safely and in a code compliant manner.
Well put. I would add that lawmakers could focus on more stringent penalties for those that do not pull permits (both DIY and licensed folks) rather than barr DIY'ers from completing the work at all.

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