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Old 12-06-2009, 12:05 PM   #31
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Even if the handy man puts a plate on box it is still buried in the floor and not accessible

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Old 12-06-2009, 12:12 PM   #32
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Floor junction box, or it would need to be converted to a ceiling box
Which if its a Condo & not a 2 floor condo will not work
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Old 12-06-2009, 12:21 PM   #33
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It's in a small loft on a third floor condo. The loft is above the bedroom so it will be in the loft floor or in the bedroom ceiling.

But it appears since a permit was not pulled as I didn't realize it was needed to reposition a thermostat, the dry wall will have to come down also to inspect the wiring in the small wall jutting out.

I'm sure I can't accomplish what I want without getting the city involved and facing fines for allowing work without a permit. Pretty messy.

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Old 12-06-2009, 12:55 PM   #34
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dave, if you haven't tried here yet, you might post it as well:

http://forum.freeadvice.com/

I'm really sorry if I got you all worked up about this. I didn't mean to. I was simply trying to caution you from causing you problems by making an issue out of it.



Bottom line: what do you want to accomplish when all is said and done and if it means costing you money, are you ready and willing to do whatever is required?
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Old 12-06-2009, 01:12 PM   #35
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Its tough Nap.

Im one with a conscious and am sole responsible. I wish the management company would have shown more interest in my inquiries and guided me a bit.

I am finding out now that in most localities the non-beaaring partition I put up to create a room out of a railed open loft should also require a permit.

Although the whole project cost under $500 to do, it could cost thousands to remedy if the walls have to come down and everything refinished.

I took the managements non-concern on the non-load bearing alteration per our condo documents as a green light minus the splice that was a surprise.

I'm going to have to wait and do some soul searching. The buyer still owns the condo per the land records on the internet.

On the sale:
I don't recall there being any disclosure for work done without a permit (partition would visually stick out) as I refused to do other work (windows) as I was trying to back out of the sell also as I was having sellers remorse. I would have disclosed it had I been asked.

I had a railing replaced with a partition and a door put in; that put the thermostat outside the loft thus had to be brought inside the now enclosed loft regulate the heater.

I'm not to sure I can get away with trying to say the walls/partitions were up before I bought it and I just wanted to move the thermostat inside the enclosed loft. The condo was an as-is sale as it was bank owned when I bought it. More time may have to pass.

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Dave, I'd leave it alone. It is not a life safety issue. A buried junction box is usually just an inconvenience. If something goes wrong, then an electrician comes in and starts looking. He doesn't find the box, so he runs a new wire, and bills the customer. So they are out a few hundred $$. It isn't important enough to lose sleep over.
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Thats nice to hear.

I just went over my disclosure and nothing about remodeling just if there are problems I know of. Some disclosures specifically ask about additions and remodeling and this one doesn't.

Barring an electrical problem, the other issue may be if the present owner sells and there is talk about the partition wall construction. I'm sure there have been cases where a owner doesn't want to bring up items because all the previous sellers can claim they did not do the work and the present owners gets stuck with the demolition bill or pulling off drywall to inspect the framing.

I don't have the original condo ad but I see no mention of the remodeling in the legal paperwork.

I'll let it go for now and hope to get involved in real estate or home inspection after the new year and can address the issue with some contacts there if possible.

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Keep your mouth shut and go see priest, rabbi or religious counselor of choice to set your mind as ease.
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I am not a big supporter of that. It does prevent frivolous suits but it also prevents a lot of righteous suits as well. A suit does not always have a loser but it always has a plaintiff that either won or didn't win. A lot of suits are righteous but for whatever reason, the plaintiff that truly is in the right does not win. That would mean they pay the losers costs in the Canadian system so in reality, they are punished for not being able to win, even though they truly were an aggrieved party.

We already have an action available to a defendant in many situations if the suit was truly frivolous. If the defendant truly is the subject of a frivolous suit, they can sue the plaintiff for malicious prosecution to recoup their costs. That way, the plaintiff/counter-defendant has to prove there was merit to their original case. If there was but they simply could not sustain the burden of proof required to prevail, they are not penalized for utilizing the courts to attempt to be compensated for their injuries.
I agree with what you're saying here. That was the other side of the discussion and the main reason that the system was not changed here in the US. Because in our present system, theoretically, anyone can sue. The trick is to find the right balance. Sometimes it's the judge who prevents frivolous lawsuits other times it's the threat of being counter sued. But the essence of the discussion that is relevant to this case was, that the OP, wanting to clear his conscience was held back because of fear of being sued. (No matter what) Don't Drink and Drive, Ever!!!

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I after so many yrs are you sure they could not charge you in criminal court if something goes wrong?
The standards for winning a criminal case are higher compared with winning a civil case.

You also have to prove that the defendant intended to break the law.
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You also have to prove that the defendant intended to break the law.
really? have you not ever heard of negligent homicide?
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