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spring3100 05-11-2013 02:37 PM

Siemens G4040MB 1200 Load Center
 
Specing out my breaker costs for adding the following to my existing service.
1 X 2pole 30 amp for a heater
2 X 1pole 20 amp for new receptacles and bathroom
2 X 1pole 15 amp for lighting and saniflo pump
1 X 2pole 15 amp for bathroom heater
Am I correct in assuming this load center takes QP breakers (cover panel with specs on it is illegible from hack builder electrical work)
Also,since it is new service,but no new bedrooms,do I have to use AFCI breakers?
Any useful inputs will be greatly appreciated
P.S. I have lots of room for any size breakers I may need (size matters!)

AandPDan 05-11-2013 03:14 PM

QP breakers are correct.

Depending upon where you live and what code cycle you're on you may need an AFCI breaker for the lighting and receptacles. They're not just for bedrooms anymore.

Philly Master 05-12-2013 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spring3100 (Post 1177180)
Specing out my breaker costs for adding the following to my existing service.
1 X 2pole 30 amp for a heater
2 X 1pole 20 amp for new receptacles and bathroom
2 X 1pole 15 amp for lighting and saniflo pump
1 X 2pole 15 amp for bathroom heater
Am I correct in assuming this load center takes QP breakers (cover panel with specs on it is illegble form hack builder electrical work)
Also,since it is new service,but no new bedrooms,do I have to use AFCI breakers?
Any useful inputs will be greatly appreciated
P.S. I have lots of room for any size breakers I may need (size matters!)

ususally if you run new circuits you need to put in ACFI breakers ..at least here the is the line in the sand.. and it depends also on what code cycle your area is on ?

Speedy Petey 05-12-2013 07:17 AM

If you run new circuits, and those circuits require AFCI protection that that is your answer.

See what code cycles your area is under, but these days most are to a point where they are required. Remember, most, but not all, areas/circuits do require AFCI protection.

This is from the 2008 NEC:

Quote:

(B) Dwelling Units. All 120-volt, single phase, 15- and 20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets installed in dwelling unit family rooms, dining rooms, living rooms, parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms, sunrooms, recreation rooms, closets, hallways, or similar rooms or areas shall be protected by a listed arc-fault circuit interrupter, combination-type, installed to provide protection of the branch circuit.

k_buz 05-12-2013 07:32 AM

You can only put receptacles on the bathroom circuit if those receptacles are in the bathroom, unless the "bathroom" circuit only services lighting outlets.

spring3100 05-12-2013 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k_buz (Post 1177583)
You can only put receptacles on the bathroom circuit if those receptacles are in the bathroom, unless the "bathroom" circuit only services lighting outlets.

I have one dedicated 20 amp circuit for the bathroom,if you re-read my post you will see a total of six circuits,but thanks for your input

spring3100 05-12-2013 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy Petey (Post 1177579)
If you run new circuits, and those circuits require AFCI protection that that is your answer.

See what code cycles your area is under, but these days most are to a point where they are required. Remember, most, but not all, areas/circuits do require AFCI protection.

This is from the 2008 NEC:

This quote mentions outlets,but doesn't reference lighting,will I need it on that circuit also?Thanks for your input

k_buz 05-12-2013 08:06 AM

"Outlets" does not mean what you think it means. When the code states "outlets"....

Quote:

Outlet. A point on the wiring system at which current is
taken to supply utilization equipment.

spring3100 05-12-2013 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k_buz (Post 1177595)
"Outlets" does not mean what you think it means. When the code states "outlets"....

Thank you,and consider me educated!

spring3100 05-12-2013 09:26 AM

Just so we all on the same page,I will consider the need for 2 AFCI 20amp single pole breakers for the recepatcle circuit and the dedicated bathroom circuit and 2 AFCI 15amp single pole breakers for the Lighting circuit and the dedicated receptacle for the Saniflo pump.
The 15amp two pole 240V for the bathroom heater and the 30amp two pole 240v for the area heater doesn't need anything special,does it?
Thanks once again for all of your awesome inputs!!!

Minus08 05-12-2013 09:28 AM

5 Attachment(s)
I also have the Siemens G4040MB1200

Minus08 05-12-2013 09:41 AM

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Heres a good decoding guide for model numbers for Siemens load centers

usair 05-12-2013 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spring3100 (Post 1177586)
This quote mentions outlets,but doesn't reference lighting,will I need it on that circuit also?Thanks for your input

an outlet can be a receptacle, light or even a smoke detector.

The NEC defines an Outlet as: A point on the wiring system at which current is taken to supply utilization equipment.

AandPDan 05-12-2013 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spring3100 (Post 1177640)
Just so we all on the same page,I will consider the need for 2 AFCI 20amp single pole breakers for the recepatcle circuit and the dedicated bathroom circuit and 2 AFCI 15amp single pole breakers for the Lighting circuit and the dedicated receptacle for the Saniflo pump.
The 15amp two pole 240V for the bathroom heater and the 30amp two pole 240v for the area heater doesn't need anything special,does it?
Thanks once again for all of your awesome inputs!!!

240 volt circuits don't require AFCI protection - yet.
A dedicated bathroom circuit only needs GFCI protection, not AFCI.
The Saniflo pump recommends being on a GFCI protected circuit.

Basically, only your receptacle circuit and the lighting circuits likely need AFCI protection.

Check with your AHJ.

spring3100 10-31-2013 03:03 PM

Update to this post,Electrical inspector visited in August,said he would be satified with AFCI's on Lighting and Receptacle circuits,and considered the GFCI for bathroom and Saniflo pumps to be sufficient protection.
240 Volt heating circuits did not need AFCI or GFCI.
Thanks once again for everyones input.


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