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Old 03-16-2009, 08:02 PM   #16
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Going from the panel to the closest ceiling box, then to the next ceiling box, then the next, and so on will work just fine. You'll need a wire from the ceiling box in each room to the light switch. We call this a 'switch drop'.

I almost always use #14 wire for lights, (15 amp breaker), and #12 for receptacles (20 amp breaker).

If there's even the slightest hint that a room might someday have a ceiling fan, I'll use a 14/3 from the ceiling box to the switch. 14/2 can be used from the panel to the ceiling boxes. The reason for the 14/3 is because it's pretty easy to bust out the original single gang light switch box, and install a cut-in two gang. One switch for the lights, the other for the fan. This way, both switch legs are already installed.

If you power the ceiling boxes, and use switch drops, it's required by code to use the white wire for the hot from the ceiling box down to the switch. This is one of the very few times white can be used for a hot. The reason is because up in the ceiling box, you'll have the whites that comprise the neutral, and a black for the switched hot. Otherwise, you'd have all whites. Which one is hot? Once you actually do one to completion, it'll be obvious.

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Old 03-16-2009, 10:57 PM   #17
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i know you are looking to save money, and i dont blame you...but if you have to ask this question, maybe you should call an electrician
This attitude is not productive.

We all say things like this from time to time when someone is obviously out of their league, but you have said things like this in several threads now, to people who were asking legitimate questions.

This is the DIY Chatroom. DIY see... it says DIY right there. If you want to chat with electricians, head over to mikeholt.com.
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Old 03-16-2009, 11:32 PM   #18
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Hey, you get it inspected. Thats a very crucial step. If you have done wiring and passed, you are capable of electrical work.
no, not really....this means NOTHING! you pay em 20 bucks and you are good
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Old 03-16-2009, 11:35 PM   #19
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This attitude is not productive.

We all say things like this from time to time when someone is obviously out of their league, but you have said things like this in several threads now, to people who were asking legitimate questions.

This is the DIY Chatroom. DIY see... it says DIY right there. If you want to chat with electricians, head over to mikeholt.com.
gigs, this person IS out of their league..if you can't see this you are blind...i'm not tying to be rude...they will sav ethemselves money in the long run if they call an electrician... but hey if a diyer wants to start changing services and rewiring entire houses---hey go ahead diyers, this is what this site is for....IT WILL COST YOU MONEY IN THE LONG RUN DIYERS
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Old 03-17-2009, 12:11 AM   #20
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Hey, you get it inspected. Thats a very crucial step. If you have done wiring and passed, you are capable of electrical work.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! That's the funniest thing I've read on this forum!
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Old 03-17-2009, 07:01 AM   #21
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HAHAHAHAHAHA! That's the funniest thing I've read on this forum!

Did I just say that?

I knew it did not sound right...I should have worded it "at least you have it checked, but it doesn't mean your capable of electrical work"

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Old 03-17-2009, 10:47 PM   #22
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Did I just say that?

I knew it did not sound right...I should have worded it "at least you have it checked, but it doesn't mean your capable of electrical work"
Hey rgsgww,
....Way to stick to your guns. You studying politics?

NolaTigaBait,
...If you read what I wrote, I HAVE a professional in my corner! I've actually checked with the county to see if I am allowed to do my own work. I can run the wires, set the boxes etc. but they require that I have my work checked before I make any actual connections. I plan on doing as I did before, hiring my electrician to check my connections and then he will connect it to the panel.

I'm not doing this JUST to save money. I have enough to hire someone, but if I can do the grunt work here and just hire my electrician for the connections, why shouldn't I? He seems to think I can handle it. So far, my plan is to do one room at a time, but I like to think ahead also.

BUT I am just planning right now! I am not setting to burn the house down! If I get in over my head, I know enough to ask for help! Some of us DIYers are quite capable. I'm sorry you are having a problem with that. You really shouldn't stress yourself so much.

Oh, by the way, I'm not sure how you do business, but if an inspector even hinted for a bribe from me, he would be out on his rear, and probably not an inspector for long.
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Old 03-18-2009, 07:09 AM   #23
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Hey rgsgww,
....Way to stick to your guns. You studying politics?

NolaTigaBait,
...If you read what I wrote, I HAVE a professional in my corner! I've actually checked with the county to see if I am allowed to do my own work. I can run the wires, set the boxes etc. but they require that I have my work checked before I make any actual connections. I plan on doing as I did before, hiring my electrician to check my connections and then he will connect it to the panel.

I'm not doing this JUST to save money. I have enough to hire someone, but if I can do the grunt work here and just hire my electrician for the connections, why shouldn't I? He seems to think I can handle it. So far, my plan is to do one room at a time, but I like to think ahead also.

BUT I am just planning right now! I am not setting to burn the house down! If I get in over my head, I know enough to ask for help! Some of us DIYers are quite capable. I'm sorry you are having a problem with that. You really shouldn't stress yourself so much.

Oh, by the way, I'm not sure how you do business, but if an inspector even hinted for a bribe from me, he would be out on his rear, and probably not an inspector for long.
I'm not saying your not capable! Don't think that!

Sorry if I offended you
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Old 03-18-2009, 12:09 PM   #24
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I'm not saying your not capable! Don't think that!

Sorry if I offended you

Good Heavens! I'm not that easily offended.
Sorry, I forgot to add an L.O.L. after my previous comment to you.
I'
ve a tendency to be a bit sarcastic in my old age. I see you are very familiar with that concept yourself.

As for the rest of that post .... it was mostly to reassure another that I wasn't going to go about this willy nilly. NolaTigaBait's comments were just fine with me. I actually appreciate folks who speak their minds, as long as they can handle others doing the same. There just seemed to be a bit too much stress involved there. Not healthy!

I am capable enough to not be offended when told that I'm not capable. Lord knows, I appreciate all input from those who do know what they are doing.
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gigs, this person IS out of their league..if you can't see this you are blind...i'm not tying to be rude...they will sav ethemselves money in the long run if they call an electrician... but hey if a diyer wants to start changing services and rewiring entire houses---hey go ahead diyers, this is what this site is for....IT WILL COST YOU MONEY IN THE LONG RUN DIYERS
I've had ane electrician out that knew less then I did
The Inspection Dept also had to go check the code book & call me back about work that I intended to do when I qouted the section out of the code book

And everything always costs money in the long run or short run
or did you mean "IT WILL COST YOU {MORE} MONEY IN THE LONG RUN DIYERS"

Yeah, I don't think so
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Oh, by the way, I'm not sure how you do business, but if an inspector even hinted for a bribe from me, he would be out on his rear, and probably not an inspector for long
pfffffffffffff...hahahahahahha...what po-dunk town do you live in????...
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I've had ane electrician out that knew less then I did
The Inspection Dept also had to go check the code book & call me back about work that I intended to do when I qouted the section out of the code book

And everything always costs money in the long run or short run
or did you mean "IT WILL COST YOU {MORE} MONEY IN THE LONG RUN DIYERS"

Yeah, I don't think so
If you aren't interested in assisting then don't bother posting
i doubt this, but whatever makes you feel good....if you quoted some random code number, id probably have to check it too
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I'm not doing this JUST to save money. I have enough to hire someone, but if I can do the grunt work here and just hire my electrician for the connections, why shouldn't I? He seems to think I can handle it. So far, my plan is to do one room at a time, but I like to think ahead also
why?...if you are paying a pro to do the final connections and you aren't worried about money...then why?....you seem like you are older....i woudn't want you to break a hip....thats all....and you probably can handle it to some degree...but what about that little thing called WORKMANSHIP...you don't have this, this comes with experience
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why?...if you are paying a pro to do the final connections and you aren't worried about money...then why?....you seem like you are older....i woudn't want you to break a hip....thats all....and you probably can handle it to some degree...but what about that little thing called WORKMANSHIP...you don't have this, this comes with experience

Is your sole purpose on this board to tear people apart??
Is that what makes you feel good?
Experienced electrician that was out had ZERO workmanship
So you are wrong
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Is your sole purpose on this board to tear people apart??
Is that what makes you feel good?
Experienced electrician that was out had ZERO workmanship
So you are wrong
you may be right...just because he shows up at the door with a license and tools doesn't mean he does good work...i'm not trying to tear someone down for doing their own work, i was a diyer at one time and youd probably laugh at the first ceiling fan i hung....i didn't mean to come off the wrong way, imo, she should leave it to the pros....

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