Short Wires

08-11-2012, 04:23 PM	#1
POWER STROKE Member   Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 53	Short Wires I NEED TO UPDATE MY ELECTRICAL PANEL. I FIND THAT SOME OF MY NEUTRAL AND GROUND AND HOT WIRES ARE A BIT SHORT OF REACHING THE GROUNDING BAR AND FOR THE BREAKERS. HOW DO I EXTEND THESE WIRES? CAN I ADD PIG TAILS TO EACH WIRE, USING WIRE NUTS? Thanks in advance for any help or reply

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08-11-2012, 04:28 PM	#2
Daniel Holzman Civil Engineer   Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Boston Posts: 3,559	Short Wires You can pigtail in the panel using wire nuts, however an alternative strategy that may be better is to add a junction box outside the panel with perhaps an outlet, and run a new cable into the panel from there.

08-11-2012, 04:50 PM	#3
stickboy1375 E2 Electrician     Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Litchfield, CT Posts: 3,083	Short Wires Just splice them in the panel... simple and effective. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

08-11-2012, 05:03 PM	#4
rjniles A "Handy Husband"     Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: South Carolina Low Country Posts: 2,932	Short Wires Quote: Originally Posted by stickboy1375 Just splice them in the panel... simple and effective. If you are in the USA. __________________ Location: Coastal South Carolina

08-11-2012, 05:05 PM	#5
stickboy1375 E2 Electrician     Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Litchfield, CT Posts: 3,083	Short Wires Quote: Originally Posted by rjniles If you are in the USA. Well, dont leave me hanging... embrace my quest for knowledge and spill the beans already. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

08-11-2012, 06:24 PM	#6
Jim Port Licensed electrician   Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 5,971	Short Wires In Canada the CEC does not allow splices in a panel. __________________ Answers based on the National Electrical Code. Local amendments may apply. Check with your local building officials.

08-11-2012, 06:26 PM	#7
stickboy1375 E2 Electrician     Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Litchfield, CT Posts: 3,083	Short Wires Quote: Originally Posted by Jim Port In Canada the CEC does not allow splices in a panel. Sucks to be them. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

08-11-2012, 06:47 PM	#8
POWER STROKE Member   Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 53	Short Wires Thanks every one for your help and replies.

08-11-2012, 08:29 PM	#9
ddawg16 JOATMON     Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: S. California Posts: 4,074	Short Wires And thank you for finding the caps lock key..... Good luck __________________ Common Sense is like Deodorant. Those that need it the most don't use it. My To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ... To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. and To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

08-11-2012, 10:21 PM	#10
electures Lic Electrical Inspector     Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Great Police State of New Jersey Posts: 1,363	Short Wires If you are replacing the panel look into Cutler Hammer. They have a new panel intended for replacements. It has a ground/neutral bar at the top of the panel. __________________ All responses based on the 2011 NEC. If you live in New Jersey click To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . All other states click To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . Please check with local, county and state officials as laws may vary. Sizing motors To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . Online motor calculator To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. . Online calculators To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. .

08-11-2012, 10:33 PM	#11
frenchelectrican " Euro " electrician     Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: WI & France { in France for now } Posts: 4,963	Short Wires Quote: Originally Posted by electures If you are replacing the panel look into Cutler Hammer. They have a new panel intended for replacements. It has a ground/neutral bar at the top of the panel. Electures., IIRC they are called Renovation panels and some of them only have 5 blocks that you can able tie the conductor in ( I used 2 of them and they are ok to me ) and some models the tub width is narrower than standard tub what we are used to it. Merci, Marc __________________ The answer will be based on NEC ( National Electrical code ) or CEC ( Cananda Electrical code ) or ECF ( Electrique Code France )

08-12-2012, 01:30 AM	#12
andrew79 Master Electrician   Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Toronto Ontario Posts: 1,161	Short Wires Pretty sure we're allowed panel spliced. Not on feeders though with some exceptions. I know at one point you were only allowed two in a tub but from what I recall as long as box fill rules are applied its alright. __________________ Sarcasm is my friend I'm here to learn too, i do mostly commercial/industrial/new construction and this place is a great way to pick up tips on residential from some good electrical minds. Excuse the spelling, my phone has a mind of it's own.

08-13-2012, 09:42 PM	#13
POWER STROKE Member   Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 53	Short Wires Thanks every one for your help and replies