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jamiedolan 09-05-2008 02:14 PM

Service Upgrade Cost $$
 
Although I will likely go for a sub panel to wire in my new circuits, I decided it was only fair to look into what it would cost for an upgrade to a 200 A panel.
I was quoted $1,250 with permit costs, to replace for 100 A pushmatic with a 40 position 200A Square D QO. That would be for the entire project done by licensed personal.
Then I would wire my new projects off that box instead of of the sub panel.
Any thoughts on that price or on the Square D Qo load center?
Thanks
Jamie

Speedy Petey 09-05-2008 02:20 PM

Way, WAY too low for a 200A upgrade with QO equipment IMO. I'd be suspicious.

Depending on conditions I'd easily be in the $2200 range.

QO is considered by many as top of the line.

Is this by a legit contractor, or a side job dude with a license?

jamiedolan 09-05-2008 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey (Post 155322)
Way, WAY too low for a 200A upgrade with QO equipment IMO. I'd be suspicious.

Depending on conditions I'd easily be in the $2200 range.

QO is considered by many as top of the line.

Is this by a legit contractor, or a side job dude with a license?

Liceansed, & Insured, with Phone Book ad, Full time Electrician.

I have not called anyone else, but it sounded like a pretty reasonable price to me also.

He said he would include changing the mast and the box outside, and deal with the power company and the inspector, and it would take most of the day to complete.

Jamie

Stubbie 09-05-2008 03:05 PM

Well if you can get all that in writing on a work invoice... that is going to be hard to beat IMO. I'm not real sure how he will get that product list installed for under $1300. You might ask him (if not offended) could he give references for you to call? If he seems offended I'd be very suspicious that he may not intend to do all he says. Or maybe he just loves this stuff and works for free labor....:)

Square d Qo is among the best panels you can have installed in a residence.

Speedy Petey 09-05-2008 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jamiedolan (Post 155324)
He said he would include changing the mast .......

And it's a mast service on top of it all??? :huh:

Raise my price by about $200.

Winchester 09-05-2008 05:49 PM

IIRC, we had the upgrade (200 amp) done to our old house for around $1700 and that was for a GE panel. That was just for the electrician and not the work we had provided by the POCO.

I'm sure geography comes into play with these quotes as well. Helps when the old guy is a friend of your father-in-law but not great if paying by the hour. Up and down our stairs did him in by the end of the day. :):eek:

EBFD6 09-05-2008 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jamiedolan (Post 155324)
I have not called anyone else, but it sounded like a pretty reasonable price to me also.

That is not a reasonable price, it is WAY TO LOW!

Any "electrician" that gives a price that low for a service change like this should bring up a major red flag. This job should be more in the $2500.00 range. There is a reason this guy is doing it so cheap, either he his not going to do everything he said he was, he's going to do it illegally ( no permits, inspections, etc.), or cut corners somewhere else. Do yourself a favor and get a couple more bids and make a more informed decision.

220/221 09-05-2008 07:36 PM

We charge double that.

chris75 09-05-2008 08:30 PM

Agreed, price way to low...

chris75 09-05-2008 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Stubbie (Post 155338)

Square d Qo is among the best panels you can have installed in a residence.

Not to hijack the thread, but where is the proof that this is true vs an opinion? :)

handyman78 09-05-2008 08:35 PM

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QO is considered by many as top of the line.
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Not to change the subject but why do many feel that way about the QO? The box, breakers or what exactly?

I was just at my local HD looking over the 200a 40/40's and saw the QO at $210 and the Siemens (which appears to have the neutral/ground bars laid out better) at $150.

Just curious for when I change mine...

chris75 09-05-2008 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by handyman78 (Post 155419)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy Petey (Post 155322)
QO is considered by many as top of the line.

Not to change the subject but why do many feel that way about the QO? The box, breakers or what exactly?

I was just at my local HD looking over the 200a 40/40's and saw the QO at $210 and the Siemens (which appears to have the neutral/ground bars laid out better) at $150.

Just curious for when I change mine...

Its beyond me why people feel QO is better than any other brand, I use GE, so I think they ROCK!, and I know for a fact that the only reason people like any product is because thats what their supplier carries. :thumbsup:

Speedy Petey 09-05-2008 08:49 PM

For the record I hate QO panels. I also don't feel the breakers are any better than any other major brand. That is why I wrote "...considered by many..."

micromind 09-05-2008 09:17 PM

I do a lot of comm'l/industrial, I like Square D for several reasons. First, most panels I work with use bolt-on breakers, Sq. D is the only one that will accept both bolt-on and push-in breakers, though I very rarely ever use push-ins in these panels.

Secondly, the QO and QOB (bolt-on) breakers are available in HM (high magnetic) versions. These seem to handle a motor start surge better than any others, but still trip quickly under a short circuit.

Thirdly, I do a lot of traffic signals, the control cabinets usually have a 40 to 60 amp single pole breaker in them for a main. I've only seen 60 amp in Sq. D. There may be others, but that's what I've seen. In a knockdown, a 40 will sometimes trip, a 60 will usually hold. If the main trips, the whole signal is dark, usually including streetlights. If it doesn't trip, the loadswitches for the downed pole will burn up, and send the rest of the signal into flashing red. Much safer.

4TH, They are the only ones I know of that are legal to put 2 wires under the same breaker. I know, it's an extremely poor practice, but sometimes there's just no other practical choice.

I can't say I've seen them burn up any more often than any other, either bolt-on or push-in.

Again, just a personal preference, and most of this doesn't apply to residential anyway.

Rob

SD515 09-05-2008 10:22 PM

IMO...I like Sq D QO panels. I think they are more 'rugged' than some others, but they are more pricey. I personally like to use Siemans. Well built, durable, laid out nice, not overly pricey, breakers are readily available (at least in my area), and the breakers are listed for use in some older panels by other manufacturers (less stock for me to carry).


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