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brgmgb 09-27-2011 11:16 AM

Secure Wires from Conduit in Sub Panel
 
I am running wires to a sub panel in a pole barn. The wire will run through conduit straight into the sub panel. The conduit is 1 1/2" PVC/gray plastic and enters the box from the bottom.

Do I need to secure the wires to the sub panel where they come out of the conduit?

When using Romex, I have used two different types of connectors (one that clamps down and the other being a plastic button that snaps in). Is there an equivalent for wire coming out of conduit?

J. V. 09-27-2011 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by brgmgb (Post 736886)
I am running wires to a sub panel in a pole barn. The wire will run through conduit straight into the sub panel. The conduit is 1 1/2" PVC/gray plastic and enters the box from the bottom.

Do I need to secure the wires to the sub panel where they come out of the conduit?

When using Romex, I have used two different types of connectors (one that clamps down and the other being a plastic button that snaps in). Is there an equivalent for wire coming out of conduit?

Wire run in conduit require no extra protection. When they leave the conduit they enter a box, panel or condulet. (conduit body). The wires entering the sub panel will not require any support. Some people use ties to keep the wires neat. This is optional.

gregzoll 09-27-2011 04:41 PM

Just run conduit from boxes to panel, or use either mc or bx. You can only use conduit with romex, if you are protecting it from damage for say a short distance. For example, in unfinished basements, you have an outlet for the washer on the wall behind it, and the run goes up into the ceiling joists. Otherwise, if sticking with conduit, the cost will come out the same as bx or mc, until you get into the heavier gauges, say #8, then it becomes cheaper to.pull thhn in conduit.

Code05 09-27-2011 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by gregzoll (Post 737054)
You can only use conduit with romex, if you are protecting it from damage for say a short distance.

:no:

To the OP, you cannot run romex in a unfinished/exposed walls pole barn. It is considered a wet/damp location and you have no 15 minute fire barrier.

brgmgb 09-28-2011 04:37 PM

The original question was answered by J.V.

But you have lost me on some of the other replies.

I plan to run conduit throughout the pole barn. In other applications with Romex, the Romex has to be secured where it enters the box or panel. Because I have not used conduit in other applications, I was simply asking if the wire coming out of the conduit needed to be secured to the panel.

The pole barn has no interior walls. All of the wiring/conduit will be exposed. I planned to use conduit because it will look better than a bunch of yellow 12/2 Romex running along the walls.

My first question: gregzoll said,
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You can only use conduit with romex, if you are protecting it from damage for say a short distance.
Are you saying that you cannot run Romex in conduit? Or are you saying that you are foolishly wasting your money running Romex in conduit? One reason I ask is that on another thread on this site (http://www.diychatroom.com/f18/romex-pvc-118500/) the consensus is that it is OK to run Romex in conduit.

My second question: Code05 said,
Quote:

To the OP, you cannot run romex in a unfinished/exposed walls pole barn. It is considered a wet/damp location and you have no 15 minute fire barrier.
Are you simply saying that I cannot have exposed Romex, or are you saying that no Romex is allowed? I agree that it is not wise to have exposed Romex in a barn, but I have been in quite a few barns that have passed their electric inspection and have miles of exposed yellow 12/2 Romex. In fact, that is one of the reasons I want to use conduit. I don't like the look of exposed Romex.

So far, I am still in the planning stages, but I do want lights out there soon. The contractor buried the 1 1/2" conduit from the main panel under the lawn when he was back-filling and grading around the pole barn. I have the sub panel installed, but have not yet pulled the wires. I am, though, considering using some 12/2 Romex inside 3/4" conduit to power the lights or outlets. I have six 10-foot lengths of conduit and about 100 feet of 12/2 left over from an uncompleted basement project and just want to use it up.

gregzoll 09-28-2011 05:48 PM

No, you can not, because it is the improper way to run it, and it is a PITA to pull anyways. Need to read the NEC, before you tackle this.

brgmgb 09-29-2011 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by gregzoll (Post 737786)
No, you can not, because it is the improper way to run it, and it is a PITA to pull anyways. Need to read the NEC, before you tackle this.

Thanks for the advice to read the NEC. I learned more than I wanted to just by reading Chapter 3 Wiring Methods and Materials. The 2011 NEC is available via NFPA.org. You have to register at the site. Then search for "National Electric Code" (see http://www.nfpa.org/aboutthecodes/Ab...&EditionID=765 to view the document online). I have bookmarked the site for future reference.

Article 334 about nonmetalic sheathed cable (including NM) states that NM cannot be used in wet locations (334.12(B)(4)). However, 334.15(B) states that to protect NM cable from physical damage that NM can be run through various conduits including Schedule 80 PVC.

It seems that the correct answer is that, although Romex (being an NM cable) can be run through conduit, in my application, it is not allowed because the pole barn with no interior walls is considered a wet location (violates 334.12(B)(4)).

That answers my questions and provides me additional knowledge. After seeing other approved barns in my county, I wonder if the inspector has read the NEC.

gregzoll 09-29-2011 10:10 PM

They usually will look at the changes, but most are more comercial inspections vs. resi. A lot also have burned themselves, like the group up in Chicago that lost their jobs, due to not doing their jobs.

I had the 2003 to 2011 on my hard drive, but lost due to a reformat this week. I have the 2008 on my iPhone, which runs around $80, from McGraw Hill.


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