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Old 02-22-2009, 05:55 PM   #1
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I just took down a fan to rewire part of a circuit that passed through the box. I found that the box was secured by only this.



Romex is pinched between bracer and box



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Old 02-22-2009, 06:01 PM   #2
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At least it had coarse threads

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Old 02-22-2009, 06:03 PM   #3
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Thats not scary. when you take one down thats been installed to a plastic box, now thats scary, the only difference is usually they are already down when you get the call.
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Old 02-22-2009, 06:29 PM   #4
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Thats not scary. when you take one down thats been installed to a plastic box, now thats scary, the only difference is usually they are already down when you get the call.

This house was remodeled, so a permit was pulled and all, the ceiling is original from the 1960s, so it must have slipped by.

Makes me want to check areas with plastic boxes. Seriously? they were already down. Wonder what it sounds like.
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Old 02-22-2009, 06:33 PM   #5
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Seriously? they were already down. Wonder what it sounds like.

Amazingly, the wires always hold them up. But I did see one once installed onto an old work plastic box...
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Amazingly, the wires always hold them up. But I did see one once installed onto an old work plastic box...

Tells you how strong stranded to solid connections can be sometimes.

Old work box? I would expect the drywall to come down right when you hang it. Those things are rated for like what, 5 lbs.
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Old 02-22-2009, 06:40 PM   #7
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I've had calls for those infamous "hanging ceiling fans" myself. I have always found the fans with ceiling box and attached wiring just hanging there. This is usually the result of a homeowner installing the ceiling fan without checking to see if the ceiling box is secured well enough to hang it on. Some of these fans/lights have been, in my opinion, heavy enough they should have pulled one or more wiring connections loose but just did not at that time. Maybe it's saying a lot for the wiring connection, or the wire nuts, or just plain old good luck. IF I can access the top of this ceiling, such as the attic, I will convince the homeowner the necessity of a strong wood brace added to hang the new metal box. It's not easy but I have added a wooden brace through the outlet box hole using screws on a "toe-nail" pattern into the ceiling joist(s). You never know what you will run into working with the public. Thanks, David
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I just checked the fan I removed and I guess it's worse than yours, nailed plastic box..

I don't understand why people think they can just change any ceiling light into a fan just because they had $50.. it's over their dinner table and son's bed..
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I don't understand why people think they can just change any ceiling light into a fan just because they had $50.. it's over their dinner table and son's bed..
According to my "electrician," you can use any box you want with a fan as long as it's attached to a framing member.
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According to my "electrician," you can use any box you want with a fan as long as it's attached to a framing member.
Yes, this is correct.
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Yes, this is correct.
Doesn't the box have to be rated for a fan?
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Doesn't the box have to be rated for a fan?
No, check out 314.27 (D) along with 422.18
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No, check out 314.27 (D) along with 422.18
Thats good to know, I was wondering since I just found out I got a non fan rated pancake box.
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Thats good to know, I was wondering since I just found out I got a non fan rated pancake box.
I would just screw the fan bracket to the structure. You still need the box of course.
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No, check out 314.27 (D) along with 422.18
I read "marked by their manufacturer as suitable for this purpose" as "fan rated box"

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