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machouinard 02-11-2012 04:16 PM

Safe to 'insert' a couple lights inline with 3 outlets?
 
I have one 14/2 wire from the attic feeding three outlets in a small room. Wire from attic goes to outlet #1 which in turn feeds outlet#2 then outlet#3 where it ends. I've been asked to put two small recessed lights in the ceiling. I'm thinking of cutting the wire in the attic, using that to feed the two recessed lights 7 feet away, then run it back to the wall and splice back together with the line feeding outlet#1. Any of the three outlets are only ever used to power one laser printer, one table lamp (65w) and occasionally a laptop computer. I've wired some crazy stuff at my house in the past, but it's always been 'If it doesn't work I'll fix it later'. This not being my house I'd like to do it properly so I'm asking y'all for your thoughts/suggestions. I guess I'll go try to figure out which circuit this is all on and what amp the fuse is now that I've just thought of that.

Thanks,
Mark

EDIT: Can't run from the 3rd outlet up the wall due to an enormous window being in the way.

picflight 02-11-2012 04:19 PM

Why do you have to run it back to the attic? Why not just take the power from that wire in the attic, just one run?

MitNotrof 02-11-2012 04:23 PM

Are these the only 3 outlets on the circuit? The cable in the attic goes directly to the panel?

machouinard 02-11-2012 04:23 PM

Was assuming I had to keep it all 'in line'. IE, the wire in the attic feeds the new lights then comes back to feed the first outlet and continue from there. Thought it would be a bad idea to just splice into the line and run directly to new lights.

Julius793 02-11-2012 04:24 PM

To put it very nicely you are not allowed to be doing work for others if your not licensed.

rrolleston 02-11-2012 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by machouinard (Post 850721)
I've wired some crazy stuff at my house in the past, but it's always been 'If it doesn't work I'll fix it later'.

This is a very dangerous way to deal with electricity.

machouinard 02-11-2012 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MitNotrof (Post 850730)
Are these the only 3 outlets on the circuit? The cable in the attic goes directly to the panel?

No, they are not the only things on that circuit. Unfortunately all the wiring is neatly hidden behind some custom cabinets as well as sufficiently inaccessible in the attic, so for all intents and purposes I have no idea what's on that circuit. I'll need to figure out those 'little' details before I do anything. Thanks for the reply.

joed 02-11-2012 10:21 PM

They don't have to be inline. You can do a star setup. Tap into the line in the attic or at any of the receptacles and go to the lights and the receptacles. If there is not enough slack it could take two boxes to make the connections.

Hardway 02-11-2012 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Julius793 (Post 850734)
To put it very nicely you are not allowed to be doing work for others if your not licensed.

For real, please!

jbfan 02-12-2012 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hardway (Post 851086)
For real, please!

This

I've wired some crazy stuff at my house in the past, but it's always been 'If it doesn't work I'll fix it later'

Plus this.

This not being my house I'd like to do it properly so I'm asking y'all for your thoughts/suggestions. I guess I'll go try to figure out which circuit this is all on and what amp the fuse is now that I've just thought of that.
Equal this.

To put it very nicely you are not allowed to be doing work for others if your not licensed.

With the question being asked, he should not attempt to do any electrical work!:no:

picflight 02-12-2012 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jbfan

This

I've wired some crazy stuff at my house in the past, but it's always been 'If it doesn't work I'll fix it later'

Plus this.

This not being my house I'd like to do it properly so I'm asking y'all for your thoughts/suggestions. I guess I'll go try to figure out which circuit this is all on and what amp the fuse is now that I've just thought of that.
Equal this.

To put it very nicely you are not allowed to be doing work for others if your not licensed.

With the question being asked, he should not attempt to do any electrical work!:no:

Agreed.

frenchelectrican 02-12-2012 11:38 PM

There are few rules we the electrician have to follow and we can not advise anything if out of the line so for your safety sake please understand us sometime we can get harsh but we do for your safety and protection.

machouinard.,

I just read your question and as soon I did see couple keywords that really cross the line and you can not extend or add a circuit if you are NOT licensed end of the discussion and to make it worst you say this is not your home that is a automatique red flag in most area.

I have see some really crazy stuff what some peoples done and they did not follow the rules et codes.

Merci,
Marc

jimmy21 02-13-2012 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Julius793 (Post 850734)
To put it very nicely you are not allowed to be doing work for others if your not licensed.


not in all areas..... I have seen some very jacked up work that homeowners have done, as im sure the rest of the electricians have. One example comes to mind......... RG-59 coaxial cable running through a wall to a receptacle with a 1500 watt heater plugged in to it. I doubt the homeowners on this site are doing anything THAT bad (since they are doing research on here figuring out how to do it right) But i would still bet a good percentage of the homeowner electrical work on here would give me nightmares. Bottom line is that this guy is going to do the work, so we might as well help him to do the best and safest install he can do. Not all areas require an electrical license.



Cut the 14-2 and put a jbox in the attic. Unless you have a way to get some slack, you will have to put another jbox a few feet away, with a short chunk of cable running in between the two. Then you have a jbox you steal power from for your new lighting project

jbfan 02-13-2012 07:21 AM

Jimmy, you missed the part where he said it was not his house!

framer52 02-13-2012 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by jbfan (Post 852280)
Jimmy, you missed the part where he said it was not his house!

I didn't. I live where it is not necessary to be licensed to be an electrician. But it is necessary to get all work inspected by an independent electrical agency.

I also am smart enough not to add lights to a circuit of 14-2 wire of which I do not know what is on it.


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