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08-12-2010, 08:40 PM
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Running underground electric service and am unsure of what wire is needed. Help
I need to run 220 volt supply to 2 outbuildings, the first is about 300 meters from the pole, the second is about 200 meters past that. What size of cable suitable for burial is required for each building keeping in mind the amperage needed for each building to be able to run a welder (60 amp???)
Last edited by stquality; 08-12-2010 at 08:47 PM.
Reason: previous did not copy correctly
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08-12-2010, 09:29 PM
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Running underground electric service and am unsure of what wire is needed. Help
Where are you located ?
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08-12-2010, 09:48 PM
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Running underground electric service and am unsure of what wire is needed. Help
You'd have to have the power supplier to extend their line for that distance.
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08-12-2010, 10:02 PM
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Running underground electric service and am unsure of what wire is needed. Help
I found in the chart N. 6 gage copper. But to compensate for voltage drop
a total of 500 feet, and the welding machines, it is advisable to go a step further and install N. 4 copper. the inspector made me install such conductors 36 inches below ground and inside a moisture resistant conduit. I found this in the chart NEC. I hope it will help
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08-12-2010, 10:45 PM
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Running underground electric service and am unsure of what wire is needed. Help
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabriel24
I found in the chart N. 6 gage copper. But to compensate for voltage drop
a total of 500 feet, and the welding machines, it is advisable to go a step further and install N. 4 copper. the inspector made me install such conductors 36 inches below ground and inside a moisture resistant conduit. I found this in the chart NEC. I hope it will help
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Gabriel, what is your level of experience in this? What chart are you talking about?
Are you aware that he is talking about close to 1400 feet total??? #4cu ain't gonna cut it. Not even close.
I also suspect that he is in Canada since he mentions the distance in meters, so the NEC does not apply here.
Last edited by Speedy Petey; 08-12-2010 at 10:48 PM.
Reason: Add the Canada part
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08-12-2010, 10:47 PM
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Running underground electric service and am unsure of what wire is needed. Help
Quote:
Originally Posted by stquality
I need to run 220 volt supply to 2 outbuildings, the first is about 300 meters from the pole, the second is about 200 meters past that. What size of cable suitable for burial is required for each building keeping in mind the amperage needed for each building to be able to run a welder (60 amp???)
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Where are you thinking of pulling power from? An existing service or a new dedicated service?
At this distance nothing is going to be cheap or easy. I would STRONGLY suggest you get the power company to extend their primary line close to the first building and put a new 200A service on there. Then extend to the second building from that service.
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08-12-2010, 11:18 PM
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Running underground electric service and am unsure of what wire is needed. Help
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy Petey
Where are you thinking of pulling power from? An existing service or a new dedicated service?
At this distance nothing is going to be cheap or easy. I would STRONGLY suggest you get the power company to extend their primary line close to the first building and put a new 200A service on there. Then extend to the second building from that service.
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Of course I do agree with speedy Pete this is very long run
The cost of underground conductor can get out of portion plus you will need very large pull boxes to make the splices if you do take that route and I will not run like that fashon so ask the POCO to extend the primay line
If you want to keep 60 amp you will need at least 300mm˛ { 600 KCM } conductor and with that distance it will be cheaper to have POCO to bring the primary much closer to first building then you can run the rest with much shorter distance.
Merci.
Marc
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08-13-2010, 09:53 PM
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Running underground electric service and am unsure of what wire is needed. Help
REPLY TO A MESSAGE SPEEDY PETEY|
I did not read the 300 meters carefully. I thought it said feet.
For a total of 500 feet, I was right . The charts of the NEC are all the
same. I have 2005 but 2008 also says 4gage copper.
Therefore, I was not wrong.
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08-13-2010, 09:59 PM
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Running underground electric service and am unsure of what wire is needed. Help
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabriel24
REPLY TO A MESSAGE SPEEDY PETEY|
I did not read the 300 meters carefully. I thought it said feet.
For a total of 500 feet, I was right . The charts of the NEC are all the
same. I have 2005 but 2008 also says 4gage copper.
Therefore, I was not wrong.
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You were wrong because it is meters
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08-15-2010, 11:09 AM
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Licensed Electrical Cont.
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Running underground electric service and am unsure of what wire is needed. Help
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabriel24
REPLY TO A MESSAGE SPEEDY PETEY|
I did not read the 300 meters carefully. I thought it said feet.
For a total of 500 feet, I was right . The charts of the NEC are all the
same. I have 2005 but 2008 also says 4gage copper.
Therefore, I was not wrong.
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There are no "charts" in the NEC, just tables, and they DO NOT give wire sizes that account for voltage drop. That is done by calculation, and is NOT an NEC requirement, it is an NEC suggestion.
I ask again, what is your level of expertise in this area?
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08-15-2010, 11:14 AM
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Running underground electric service and am unsure of what wire is needed. Help
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabriel24
Therefore, I was not wrong.
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I bet you've never been wrong in your life, huh?
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