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Old 01-01-2010, 04:53 PM   #1
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Hello,

I'm in the middle of roughing in the electrical for a basement kitchen. I'm installing 2 countertop outlets, no dishwasher, a wall outlet for a fridge & freezer, and a 240v stove outlet.

What would be the best way to wire the two coutertop outlets? I want them GFCI protected, but hopefully without purchasing a double pole GFCI breaker.

Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

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Old 01-01-2010, 05:03 PM   #2
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Buy a GFI plug, you will need two circuits for the counter and they will need to be 20A circuits.

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Agree get GFCI receptacles as oppose to GFCI breakers, you will need 2-20 amp circuits serving your countertops. As per NEC 210.52 (B)(3)

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Maybe I should of mentioned I live in Ontario, Canada.

Also, is it really necessary for me to have 1 outlet on a 20Amp service, and the second outlet on it's own 20amp service? It seems like overkill.
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Well normally you would have more receptacles on the countertop. I could not tell you if you have the same rules in Canada, as you guys have your own code. Maybe someone who knows Canadian codes will chime in soon
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Kitchens require two small appliance counter circuits. Overkill, not really kitchen appliances can take lots of power. Anything within 1.5M of a sink need to be GFI protected.If you are further then 1.5M you can do a 15A split plug.

Fridge will need its own circuit to meet code as well.
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Fridge will need its own circuit to meet code as well.
Is that a Canadian code?
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It sure is., a fridge has to be by itself the only other thing allowed on that circuit is a clock plug.
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Great thanks alot. I ran one 15amp circuit to the fridge, and 2 20amp circuits to the counter top plugs.

On a side note, without using a GFCI breaker, is it possibly to run a split plug setup with the first outlet in the series as a GFCI outlet?
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Great thanks alot. I ran one 15amp circuit to the fridge, and 2 20amp circuits to the counter top plugs.

On a side note, without using a GFCI breaker, is it possibly to run a split plug setup with the first outlet in the series as a GFCI outlet?

Yes and No depending on where the circuit runs if you run in MWBC mode at the first two gang recetptale so you have GFCI recetaple at one circuit and the second GFCI on other circuit however .,,

A major gotcha after the load side of each GFCI it must have it own netural and hot conductor you can not share it otherwise the GFCI recpetale will not function at all { unless you get two pole GFCI breaker then it should take care of that issue but I will let the Canadaian Electrician confirm this set up if that is legit or not }

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If it was me I would run a 12/3 to the first plug, then 12/2 onto the next plug. In the first box with the 12/3 its very important that you tie the neutrals together and pigtail to the plug. Then you can either install a GFI or a regular t-slot on either of these plugs. Remember anything within 1.5m of a sink needs to be GFI protected. If it was me I would install two GFI and call it done.

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