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Old 06-03-2013, 06:52 PM   #46
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Problem with those testers, they do not telll you if there is a "Bootlegged" ground somewhere.
I use an Ideal Suretester for inspections. It shows bootlegged grounds, voltage and current drops, and noise. Also capable of testing two wire systems.

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I use an Ideal Suretester for inspections. It shows bootlegged grounds, voltage and current drops, and noise. Also capable of testing two wire systems.
That is about the only one that I would trust. If the inspector just used one of these http://www.lowes.com/pd_292761-12704...eal&facetInfo= not the kit that you have, I would be calling the AHJ back to get a real inspector in there. All I am taking is the OP word, and assuming that the inspector just used a pocket tester, not the one that you have, by their statement of "little plug in device".

If I could sneak the Suretest by the wife, which I have done with quite a bit of computer network gear of late, it is one that I have been looking at along the lines, to replace two of the test gear that are getting out of dated. Problem is, I only use most of my test equipment about two or three times a year, when I have friends or family call me, stating that they have issues with their places.

I only bought the cheap breaker tester that I did, because of the issue a friend of my wife and mine was having with her place, trying to figure out what outlets fed what breakers. Halfway through the tracing, I was about ready to throw it across the room, because of how cheap the "toy" is.
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That is about the only one that I would trust. If the inspector just used one of these http://www.lowes.com/pd_292761-12704...eal&facetInfo= not the kit that you have, I would be calling the AHJ back to get a real inspector in there. All I am taking is the OP word, and assuming that the inspector just used a pocket tester, not the one that you have, by their statement of "little plug in device".

If I could sneak the Suretest by the wife, which I have done with quite a bit of computer network gear of late, it is one that I have been looking at along the lines, to replace two of the test gear that are getting out of dated. Problem is, I only use most of my test equipment about two or three times a year, when I have friends or family call me, stating that they have issues with their places.

I only bought the cheap breaker tester that I did, because of the issue a friend of my wife and mine was having with her place, trying to figure out what outlets fed what breakers. Halfway through the tracing, I was about ready to throw it across the room, because of how cheap the "toy" is.
I use the same toy sometimes when I only need to check for correct wiring in a new installation. I use the Ideal when I need to do a thorough inspection.
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422.31 Disconnection of Permanently Connected Appliances

422.33 Disconnection of Cord-and-Plug-Connected Appliances.

Funny that the NEC would put the requirements for the cords on Garbage disposals if it was not in the code .....

422.16 Flexible Cords.
None of what you posted "requires" a receptacle. A receptacle is "permitted" however.
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422.31 Disconnection of Permanently Connected Appliances

422.33 Disconnection of Cord-and-Plug-Connected Appliances.

Funny that the NEC would put the requirements for the cords on Garbage disposals if it was not in the code .....

422.16 Flexible Cords.
You're a Master, how the heck do you get so much wrong, Philly? None of the above cited articles require a cord and plug!
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You're a Master, how the heck do you get so much wrong, Philly? None of the above cited articles require a cord and plug!
Where,s the disconnect for the permanently installed appliance ...dishwasher
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Where,s the disconnect for the permanently installed appliance ...dishwasher
the branch-circuit switch or circuit breaker
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Where,s the disconnect for the permanently installed appliance ...dishwasher
422.31(B) States that the breaker can be used as the disco as long as it is within site or has a provision for locking or adding a lock to the breaker.
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422.31 Disconnection of Permanently Connected Appliances

422.33 Disconnection of Cord-and-Plug-Connected Appliances.

Funny that the NEC would put the requirements for the cords on Garbage disposals if it was not in the code .....

422.16 Flexible Cords.

I am putting in a wet bar in my basement. I have one 20 Amp circuit ran for my electrical outlets above the counter. I am hoping to keep all of these outlets (9) on the single circuit. I am installing a 20 Amp gfi as the first outlet in this circuit and the remaining 8 recepticles will be after this gfi. My question is as follows..."would installing gfi recepticles in all 9 locations on this circuit serve the same protection against two small appliances simultaneously shorting out the same circuit as would "leapfrogging the recepticles on alternating circuits"?

Won't a gfi recepticle at each location isolate any short in that circuit to the specific recepticles where the short occurs?

I really don't want to run another circuit just for the purpose of being able to leapfrog the recepticles....
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a wet bar would only require one cicuit, it is not a kitchen. unless it has provisions for cooking, like a range.

GFCI protection is required to all receptacles within 6' of the sink, regardless if they are for the bar or not.
How you do your GFCI protection is up to you


(question for electrians/inspectors) is a circuit for a bar required?
feeling lazy don't want to look it up
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a wet bar would only require one cicuit, it is not a kitchen. unless it has provisions for cooking, like a range.

GFCI protection is required to all receptacles within 6' of the sink, regardless if they are for the bar or not.
How you do your GFCI protection is up to you


(question for electrians/inspectors) is a circuit for a bar required?
feeling lazy don't want to look it up
Great! Thanks for the help.
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a wet bar would only require one cicuit, it is not a kitchen. unless it has provisions for cooking, like a range.

GFCI protection is required to all receptacles within 6' of the sink, regardless if they are for the bar or not.
How you do your GFCI protection is up to you

(question for electrians/inspectors) is a circuit for a bar required?
feeling lazy don't want to look it up
A separate circuit is not required.
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A separate circuit is not required.
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