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Old 05-31-2013, 07:19 PM   #31
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Bubbler, I got lucky and with a basement and attic access, I did not have to remove any Gyprock to pull new electric for my Kitchen Remodel. I did of course realize that when I had my son help me pull the 14/3 for the 3-way for the Dining light, I found about 12-14 feet he/I did not pull out when I pulled that loop.

Ended up using that to pull a switch leg for the light over the sink. It is a PITA, especially if you have to use a flex bit, but I think that the OP needs to really just go back to square one and instead of using existing areas the boxes are, or assume where the counters, etc. will be, use a drawn floor plan to put in the boxes in the right place.

It helps to have the counters in where you know outlets are going to be, with a blank slate like the OP, it would help to have them post a floor plan with also a electrical plan, plumbing, hvac if any in the kitchen & dining, along with punch list of circuits for Kitchen, Dining, pantry if any, so we can just back the train up and start from square one to help them make sure they will have no issues later on, or even at this point.

I know they have already committed a lot to where they are now, but I am not comfortable with what I am seeing. Same with using old wiring in a new remodel, which can bring up flags, if they ever go to sell.

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Old 05-31-2013, 11:10 PM   #32
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Laying on the window sill doesn't cut it. I would want to see it stapled in the approximate location. Making it obvious as to what it's for takes all all the guess work out of the equation. And the less you make the inspector think the better.
Wow! Sorry to hear you have such a low impression of your inspectors.
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Follow Electures (electrical inspector) advice at pulling the receptacles (GFCI) . When you put them back in flip them,look upside down to me.

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Old 06-01-2013, 07:07 AM   #34
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The leapfrog outlets is a VERY clever plan. This keeps you from having the toaster over on one counter outlet and the coffee maker on another blowing the circuit at the same time. I was pleased to be told of this by our electrician when he was setting up ours.
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Best advice Greg.

When I did my kitchen remodel I had it into the state of the OP and the electricians began working around/through existing plaster where cabinets would be. It quickly became obvious what a waste this was to save the 12" or so of exposed plaster between countertop and upper cabinets so I pulled it all down... best thing I could have done because it made wiring, plumbing much easier... I as also able to air seal and properly insulate the exterior wall.

From my kitchen remodel here is what I learned from my inspector:
1) They expected disposer and dishwasher to be on cords and plugged in under the sink

2) They expected the counter outlets to leapfrog... meaning two adjacent outlets should not be on the same circuit

3) OTR microwave must be by itself and on it's own 20A circuit with no other outlets. Microwave cord should come up through a strain relief or otherwise finished edge in the cabinet above (I used one of those plastic things like you'd see on a modular office desk)

With that older NM (romex) you may want to check the ground conductor size, I know that in BX there is ground which is grossly undersized vs. the current carrying conductors (and so it can't be used), I don't know if the fabric NM is the same or not? I've got some for a couple of circuits on my second floor... personally I'd replace as much as of it as you can while things are open.
Here in Great Police state of New Jersey cord and plugs are not required for DWs or GDs as it is not a code requirement.
What the inspectors want is irrelevant. They can only require what the UCC, ReHab Subcode and NEC with amendments require.
"Leap frogging" is not an NEC requirement.
BX is fine as a EGC as long as approved connectors are used and properly installed
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so....is the OP going to post back the results of the inspection? Or do we all keep speculating as to what will fail?
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Here in Great Police state of New Jersey cord and plugs are not required for DWs or GDs as it is not a code requirement.
What the inspectors want is irrelevant. They can only require what the UCC, ReHab Subcode and NEC with amendments require.
"Leap frogging" is not an NEC requirement.
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422.31 Disconnection of Permanently Connected Appliances

422.33 Disconnection of Cord-and-Plug-Connected Appliances.

Funny that the NEC would put the requirements for the cords on Garbage disposals if it was not in the code .....

422.16 Flexible Cords.
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so....is the OP going to post back the results of the inspection? Or do we all keep speculating as to what will fail?
I was wondering the same thing.
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422.31 Disconnection of Permanently Connected Appliances

422.33 Disconnection of Cord-and-Plug-Connected Appliances.

Funny that the NEC would put the requirements for the cords on Garbage disposals if it was not in the code .....

422.16 Flexible Cords.
We are talking about Jersey, and they like Chicago, Dearborn Mi, have their own set of codes, which makes you wonder how they can get by with how they have tightened them so much.
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We are talking about Jersey, and they like Chicago, Dearborn Mi, have their own set of codes, which makes you wonder how they can get by with how they have tightened them so much.
In this case it is the same code. The section in question has not been amended.
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Sorry I am late... I passed the inspection! The inspector just checked every outlet with a little plug-in device (I think he was checking whether they were really grounded. Some of the outlets in my house are not). He pointed to the ROMEX for the DW and asked me whether my new DW would go back into the same place and I said yes. He nodded and gave me the approval note!

Thank you everyone for your help. I am sorry I couldn't update this thread sooner. I just passed the framing inspection too!
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Sorry I am late... I passed the inspection! The inspector just checked every outlet with a little plug-in device (I think he was checking whether they were really grounded. Some of the outlets in my house are not). He pointed to the ROMEX for the DW and asked me whether my new DW would go back into the same place and I said yes. He nodded and gave me the approval note!

Thank you everyone for your help. I am sorry I couldn't update this thread sooner. I just passed the framing inspection too!
Great! Keep us posted.
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... Thanks for the update
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Great! Keep us posted.
I will. Thank you!
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Problem with those testers, they do not telll you if there is a "Bootlegged" ground somewhere.

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