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Old 01-20-2012, 12:07 PM   #16
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He is from Ontario Canada so quoting NEC codes are of no use.

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I struggled for the proper wording there, and once again missed it! The wire is set 1 1/2" in from the edge of the stud, not face mounted. I'm not going to sweat that one much, as I could drywall cover that section if need be.

I have my inspection scheduled for Monday morning, so we'll see what comes of it. 17 light outlets, 14 switches, and 22 receptacle outlets finally done. The kitchen is directly on top of the cold room with the box, and I still used 55 meters of 12/2, 45 meters of 14/3 and 125 meters of 14/2. Amazing!

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NM must be protected within reach. If it passes through studs on a wall, it must be covered.

When you say "Along" the studs you make it sound like it was stapled to the outside face of the studs, which would be a no-no. In situations like this, I'd run a nailing plate at the top of the studs. (if the walls were not going to be drywalled).

If you can hang a drop light on it, lean on it, knock an appliance into it, etc it is not protected and would fail.

Normally when I do a rough in, ALL fixtures and circuits are completed and live. The inspector doesn't want to drive out more than twice (rough, final).

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How many circuits for all that stuff? You have a limit of 12 outlets (switches are not outlets) on a circuit.
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Joe, do you mean receptacles or outlets?
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I think the CEC uses the same definition of outlets as the NEC. Thus the lights and receptacles would count towards the circuit limit.
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12 outlets maximum per circuit. An outlet is defined any point on the wiring where current can be drawn. That means lights, receptacles, fans, heaters, doorbells, motors etc. are limited to 12 per circuit. There are some special exceptions where if the load is known then more can be added. If there is one receptacle then the load is not known.
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I think I'm ok here on the circuits, but let me type them out to make sure. One question in here if anybody cares to answer...

Kitchen:
Circuits 1-4: 8 countertop outlets, 2 per 20 amp breaker, 12/2 wire - 2 x GFCI; 4 are on one side of the sink, 4 on the other, and each set jumped (ie: circuit 1: outlet 1 & 3, circuit 2: outlet 2 & 4, etc)
5: 1 refrigerator plug on 20 amp breaker, 12/2 wire (may use 15 amp breaker for now)
6: 1 over-the-range microwave plug on 20 amp breaker, 12/2 wire
7: 1 dishwasher direct wire, 12/2 wire, will use 15 amp breaker for now
8: 11 recessed lighting outlets on 2 3-way switches, 14/2 & 14/3 wire, 15 amp
9: 2 direct wire under-cabinet light location & 2 strip light plugs above upper cabinets, 1 switch, 14/2 wire, 15 amp
10: 1 range outlet, 8/3, existing breaker
11: 1 range outlet for future gas stove, 14/2 wire, 15 amp

Dining Room:
12: 1 pendant light outlet, 2 3-way switches, 14/2 & 14/3 wire, 15 amp
13: 1 dining room outlet, 14/2 wire, 15 amp

Foyer:
14: 15 amp breaker, 14/2 wire, handles 4 plugs, the closet light, and entrance track light When you count your 12 outlets, it doesn't matter if there's 1 light or 3 lights on the track light, it still counts as 1 outlet, correct?

Outside:
15: 15 amp breaker, 14/2 wire, 1 front door plug gfci protected
  • 14 or 15: 3 x entrance lights on 1 switch; I want to use them on #15 as it only has the one plug, but the code looks to read that the outdoor plugs need a dedicated circuit. I have a 14/3 wire leading to a 3" deep outlet, black for #14, red for #15, and the wires leading out from there, so can choose depending on what the inspector says.

Carport:
16: 15 amp breaker, 14/2 & 14/3 wire; 2 outlets GFCI protected, 1 switch for 2 light outlets, and a feed to the carport closet for 2 more lights. I have fed an armored cable to a switch in the closet, but if that's not allowed, I'll just use the carport switch for the closet lights.

I have 8 existing 15 amp breakers I was planning on using from wires I've pulled out from the kitchen / carport / foyer / outside, as well as the 40 amp range breaker, but I need to add 7 x 20 amp breakers. I still have 10 spots in the panel and 2 in the sub-panel, so I hope that I'm ok... Regardless, 10 days of work on it, fun stuff!

Does all that make sense????

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Outlets counts best described as per box. One fixture with 5 lights would one count as one outlet. One duplex receptacle(two plugin spots) is counted as one outlet.
For your final you should note that a 20 amp circuit(breaker 5,6) requires 20 amp T slot receptacles.
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Thanks for that - I always wondered about the track light side of things, because you could in essence have over 12 lights from that one outlet.

I read about the T-slot receptacles in the simplified book, and already bought a good number. Not the cheapest, but definitely will install those. Thanks for the point though, always good to make sure I'm progressing correctly.


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Outlets counts best described as per box. One fixture with 5 lights would one count as one outlet. One duplex receptacle(two plugin spots) is counted as one outlet.
For your final you should note that a 20 amp circuit(breaker 5,6) requires 20 amp T slot receptacles.

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