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bisonman 12-30-2005 12:11 AM

Romex in Conduit?/Grounding
 
My wife and I bought a house a year ago, and in the last 12 months we've done a lot to upgrade the electrical. We've discovered some pretty interesting stuff behind our walls.

Right now we're focusing on some rewiring in our detatched garage, which has an old Square D sub-panel that is several years old. Eventually we'll replace that panel, but I'm trying to work with it now.

One thing I have noticed is that the panel does not have its own grounding bus. I believe the previous owners dealt with this by feeding outdoor-rated UF cable through the garage wall and down into a hole inside metal conduit.

I can't quite tell without ripping it out of the ground, though. Is there any way to tell that this is what they were doing and/or test that this is properly grounded?

If not, is this a reasonable and safe solution for grounding the subpanel?

I'm also rewiring all of the outlets inside the garage using 12-3 double receptacle circuit and GFCIs. There is currently a system of conduit in place, but the wiring inside the conduit is old and I don't trust it.

I'm wondering if it's OK to run Romex-type 12-3 cable through conduit, or if the individual wires must be unsheathed. I have 12-3 wire in-hand, and my preference is to use that, but if it's not safe or code-compliant I'll go ahead and use unsheathed wire. I've gotten conflicting info on this and I'm hoping to get the matter settled.

If they do need to be unsheathed, is it OK to use bare copper ground wire, or must that be insulated (green)?

Thanks in advance for any guidance.

jproffer 12-30-2005 08:45 AM

It depends on your local codes ultimately, but I THINK that putting 12-2 (which is what I think you mean...one black, one white, and one bare copper?) into conduit is considered double conduit and is against NEC. (but you may want to wait for MD or Speedy or JB to make sure)

Another thing...if the conduit is already in place it would be easier to pull single conductors than to pull 12-2 (or any multi-conductor cable).

bisonman 12-30-2005 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jproffer
It depends on your local codes ultimately, but I THINK that putting 12-2 (which is what I think you mean...one black, one white, and one bare copper?) into conduit is considered double conduit and is against NEC. (but you may want to wait for MD or Speedy or JB to make sure)

Another thing...if the conduit is already in place it would be easier to pull single conductors than to pull 12-2 (or any multi-conductor cable).

Well, what I plan to do is replace all of the wire in the conduit with fresh stuff -- one black, one red, one white and a ground (either bare copper or green). Why wouldn't this be OK?

jbfan 12-30-2005 02:29 PM

If the conduit goes from point a to point b then you can pull thhw/thwn wire. If the conduit is open at the top and is use only as a prtective sleeve you can not pull induvidual wires. Do you have a ground rod at the garage? Why do you need to run black, red, white and a ground?

jproffer 12-30-2005 03:08 PM

Quote:

Why wouldn't this be OK?
I thought you were talking about pulling romex into the conduit, which (if my first response was correct) you can't do.

bisonman 12-30-2005 04:52 PM

Thanks for all the responses. I've been answering questions about my project over at http://www.selfhelpforums.com/showth...9786#post39786.
If you have any input/advice after reading that thread I'd love to hear it.


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