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Old 12-03-2008, 05:48 PM   #31
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i think this issue needs to be addressed on a federal level, i.e. some legislation passed to make EVERY municipality have to adhere to some federal law defining what people can and cannot do with their houses. in other words, it would be nice if this issue was not let at the discretion of local governments but enforced on the federal level. i know a lot of people are for local/state rights as opposed to federal but i think this would work very nicely.

do i see it coming: NO.
I really think that it should be addressed at that level, I don't think places like Chicagoland would take it too well.

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The Kendell Jackson company built a winery and vineyard in Monterey county and cut down over 400 century oaks preferring to pay the fine so they could have straight uninterrupted rows. After that the law was changed so that the arborist who performed any such illegal work in the future would lose their license which is a much more effective deterrent. I can see the same with the homeowner doing a AC repair and not caring about using black market refrigerant smuggled in from Mexico while a licensed contractor would not jeopardize their business and livelihood by breaking the law.

When I see the questions posted on forums or overhear people asking for guidance from the guy working the aisle at Home Depot or Ace I know that the person does not have a clue and is not going to do the job correctly. I have seen codes that were rigorously enforced by the inspectors and had money wasted because I had to have work redone by builders that screwed up but like to blame the darn inspector rather than themselves for trying to cut corners. I lost my 8 year old home in the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake because the builder only built to code minimums and none of the key framing members were properly braced - something the person I bought the house from either did not know or failed to disclose.
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Old 12-11-2008, 04:29 PM   #33
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I lived in a city that had very restrictive codes about home owners doing their own work.

The required a plumber, electrician, and a few other odds and ends. Bottom line was that the home owner couldn't do anything.

I build a very large shop on the property and didn't have any electrical or plumbing. It passed inspection. Then after everyone left I uncovered the plumbing and electrical holes to the conduit I had put in the concrete and wired and plumbed the whole place. It was quite a few years back. From what I understand they changed the code so that HO's (not the kind walking the streets) can do their own work as long as it's code.
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When I see the questions posted on forums or overhear people asking for guidance from the guy working the aisle at Home Depot or Ace I know that the person does not have a clue and is not going to do the job correctly. I have seen codes that were rigorously enforced by the inspectors and had money wasted because I had to have work redone by builders that screwed up but like to blame the darn inspector rather than themselves for trying to cut corners. I lost my 8 year old home in the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake because the builder only built to code minimums and none of the key framing members were properly braced - something the person I bought the house from either did not know or failed to disclose.
I agree that this is very likely true in many cases, but some people out there that ask a lot of questions do take the time to make sure what they are doing is correct, safe and legal. Not trying to put this on you by any means, but it bothers me when some people assume that the "naive DIY'er" is just gonna do what they need to do to make it work and have little regard for safety or code. It isn't that way with every DIY.

I ask many many questions of many people, but I verify that information with reliable sources, my favorite source, my copy of the 2005 NEC code, If it's wrong were all in trouble. :-) There are also several very trustworthy reliable people here on this board that give excellent, up to code safe information.

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OK. So let's say my town makes it illegal for me to do any electrical, plumbing, or any other "major" repairs or changes to my home without employing a licensed professional and having the proper inspections done.
Who is going to stop me from walking into my local Home Depot store, purchasing a 250 ft roll of Romex cable, some boxes, receptacles, etc and going about the job.
Is someone going to photograph me buying the stuff at HD, then follow me home and spring upon me once I get inside?

I suppose legislation could be proposed (but it would never pass) to restrict the purchase of certain items (electrical cable, boxes, and more than say 5 receptacles at a time) from anywhere? A licensed contractor would of course have to show his or her license when making the purchase.
Legislation like this would not have a chance in Hell to pass around here. The home improvement stores would fight it tooth and nail.
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OK. So let's say my town makes it illegal for me to do any electrical, plumbing, or any other "major" repairs or changes to my home without employing a licensed professional and having the proper inspections done.
Who is going to stop me from walking into my local Home Depot store, purchasing a 250 ft roll of Romex cable, some boxes, receptacles, etc and going about the job.
This would never pass since certainly there could be the same argument for those fixing their own cars (safety issues of course!), appliances etc. It would change the entire landscape of DIY !!!

Every retailer of DIY products (AutoZone, PepBoys, HomeD, Lowes) would be on the side of the homeowner/driver etc. The towns and states would not want that loss of taxes.

I do disagree about the inspections done though. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be able to do your own work, I just think you might need to have it inspected for your own liability. Major work such as additions or significant rewiring for instance. I wired my own addition (my town allows you to do so with permits and electric inspections), the inspector passed it with flying colors.
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OK. So let's say my town makes it illegal for me to do any electrical, plumbing, or any other "major" repairs or changes to my home without employing a licensed professional and having the proper inspections done.
Who is going to stop me from walking into my local Home Depot store, purchasing a 250 ft roll of Romex cable, some boxes, receptacles, etc and going about the job.
Is someone going to photograph me buying the stuff at HD, then follow me home and spring upon me once I get inside?
If the government has it's way then the answer is yes.

They will require an electrical license to buy wire. It will be to "protect the public".

The government wants to protect us from everything and depend on them to take care of us from the time we are born to the day we die.
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keep voting Democrat, share the wealth....big brother will take care of ya "HE" knows what best for you. sorry to get political.
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They will require an electrical license to buy wire. It will be to "protect the public".
Like the "government" requiring conduit for all residential electrical in Chicago? LOL
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What the government does is find a "landmark" case where someone dies due to "unpermitted" or "uninspected" work and gets the public all stirred up about it. They channel them into seeing how bad "unpermitted/uninspected" work is and propose laws to correct his injustice on humanity. Since the majority of the public are idiots and are driven by emotion rather than logic they will fall in line and back the proposed laws.

It's all about control and revenue.

The beast needs money for control and uses control to get money.
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What the government does is find a "landmark" case where someone dies due to "unpermitted" or "uninspected" work and gets the public all stirred up about it. They channel them into seeing how bad "unpermitted/uninspected" work is and propose laws to correct his injustice on humanity. Since the majority of the public are idiots and are driven by emotion rather than logic they will fall in line and back the proposed laws.

It's all about control and revenue.

The beast needs money for control and uses control to get money.
Ayuh,... Exactly like the Gobal Warming thing,..??

In the town/ city right next door,...
You can do Anything you want to in your Own home,....
You can hire Me(a diyer) to do Anything in your home....
Except,...
Any Plumbing....
Inspections or Not,...
Only licenced by the City, Plumbers are supposedly allowed to do Any plumbing...
I'm not even supposed to go plunge the sink drain for Mom... Hire a Plumber...

Their reasoning,..??..??
Well, they said, If by some freak happening, the city's water supply could be Contaminated....
From backflow through the meter,..??

Ya Right.....

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"If you don't do as we ask[and follow building codes], we will openly condemn you for not acting like a responsible citizen";"

"If you do behave as we ask, we will secretly condemn you for a simpleton who can be shamed into standing aside while the rest of us [do what we want in our own interest]

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guys, you are throwing me in tears

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The Kendell Jackson company built a winery and vineyard in Monterey county and cut down over 400 century oaks preferring to pay the fine so they could have straight uninterrupted rows. After that the law was changed so that the arborist who performed any such illegal work in the future would lose their license which is a much more effective deterrent. I can see the same with the homeowner doing a AC repair and not caring about using black market refrigerant smuggled in from Mexico while a licensed contractor would not jeopardize their business and livelihood by breaking the law.

When I see the questions posted on forums or overhear people asking for guidance from the guy working the aisle at Home Depot or Ace I know that the person does not have a clue and is not going to do the job correctly. I have seen codes that were rigorously enforced by the inspectors and had money wasted because I had to have work redone by builders that screwed up but like to blame the darn inspector rather than themselves for trying to cut corners. I lost my 8 year old home in the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake because the builder only built to code minimums and none of the key framing members were properly braced - something the person I bought the house from either did not know or failed to disclose.
In your first paragraph you condemn an individual for not complying with government regulations (cutting his own trees without government permision). In your second paragraph you condemn an individual for complying with government regulations (building to government established code). So are you arguing that government control is good or bad????

And when a pro posts a question on a contractor talk or similar pro forum do you also assume that he doesn't know what he is doing and will do it incorrectly? Or is the logic somehow different when applied to someone who gets paid for a project and walks a way vs. someone who will own and live in their project?
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guys, you are throwing me in tears
If it's crocodile tears, that's not supposed to happen!
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