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Old 10-30-2008, 06:09 PM   #16
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A-freakin'-men! Amen!
i am glad we are on the same page, termite

i live in washington, DC, the building regulation is insane to the point of discouraging permit application and steering towards cutting corners. ANY elec. and plumbing work HAS to be done by licensed professionals (master plumber or electrician).

i am generally in favor of regulation but as long as it is done reasonably to protect the interested parties and does not grow into a bureaucratic monster.

needless to say, what this foments, is corruption of all sorts, most notably those licensed "professionals" who only pull permits for work done by people like me and that is all they do. point against ridiculous building regulation.

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Old 10-30-2008, 06:31 PM   #17
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it is really sad when we all have to suffer consequential regulation after someone does something stupid like use hair blower in the shower and aggressive mortgage lending.

one thing that particularly annoys me is that i cannot have track lights within 3 ft of the bath tub in the bathroom to protect a potential moron from tampering with it while showering on the edge of the tub. after all, someone like that should be removed from the gene pool.

why do we all have to suffer for the stupidity of the few ?
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Old 10-31-2008, 12:18 AM   #18
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Many codes are written to prevent people from themselves while they exercise their right to be complete idiots. Blame the lawyers.
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Old 10-31-2008, 10:06 AM   #19
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The work done by the electricians who wired the addition in my home about 10 yrs ago looks more like DIY than professional / licensed work.

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The work done by the electricians who wired the addition in my home about 10 yrs ago looks more like DIY than professional / licensed work.
....Illustrating my point exactly!
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The work done by the electricians who wired the addition in my home about 10 yrs ago looks more like DIY than professional / licensed work.
because they don't care about your house, all they care is to get paid. any project should be tried to be directed, as much as possible, to those who CARE AND ARE AFFECTED about the outcome. in this case it is you. i am of a firm belief that 80% of home owners can be sufficiently educated to perform 95% of work on their houses themselves and will apply themselves with more conscience than some contractor out there.

i, for one, have a real hard time trusting anyone performing any work for me. i try not to go to doctors, i fix my vehicles, change my oil, cut my hair etc. perhaps i am a little extreme in that matter. i have a real trust issue with outsourcing and if i were forced to do it, there is usually friction between me and the work doer as i want to closely micromanage their every step of the way.

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Old 11-25-2008, 02:31 AM   #22
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On a brighter note, it appears that somebody has begun to raise a stink about this. Guess I'll have to jump on board.

http://www.siouxcityjournal.com/arti...090005fd4b.txt
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:58 AM   #23
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I believe over here it is more or less the same but permits are needed for major work within the house [at least for outside]

I suppose it'll be too late for an inspector to inspect a code job if the house burned down [prolly burning someone else's house as well].

for that reason sounds like they want the lis. skills for the code job in the first place.


Not fair to the family and/or family pets if some dude thought he knew it all and burned down the house.
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Old 11-25-2008, 10:56 AM   #24
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I don't understand the logic of limiting rental, commercial and industrial owners to a number of fixture changes per year in Section 20.08.060. Do they lose the knowledge the more they install?

I'm all for licensed contractors doing electrical work for pay, but this document is a little extreme. At best, it was written out of ignorance. At worst, there was some misplaced influence.
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I have seen many bad wiring installations done by cost cutting home builders and by cost cutting home owners. In both cases the temptation to save money overruled the importance of a safe or usable installation. The codes are in place to protect the next person who buys or rents a house or office space. Go to a 3rd world country where there is no code enforcement and look at the wiring with masking tape splices or buildings that have collapsed because someone left out the rebar.

Human nature is not conducive to consistent good construction practices and more than it is conducive to good banking or investment practices when regulations are removed.

A homeowner does not need to be a licensed contractor to do many construction tasks on their own, whether it is pouring concrete for a patio or replacing doors or windows or repairing plumbing. Installing a gas line or a 220V circuit for a hot tub though is required to be done by a licensed professional as a matter of public safety. I for one would be more than a little upset to have a friend or family member blown up or electrocuted because someone decided to save a few hundred dollars.

These days with the current economy it is not hard to find licensed plumbers and electricians charging $55 an hour so the total cost of a project is not really increased significantly by hiring a professional.
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that is what inspection is for. why not allow anyone to pull a license and do the work, which will be inspected and failed if it does not pass muster? why does it matter who does the work? IRS does not care who did your tax return (you or H&R Block) as long as it is done right.

i could not be more convinced that the way it is is because of a racket scheme between the muni govts and licensed pro trade associations or unions or whatever.
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I have seen many bad wiring installations done by cost cutting home builders and by cost cutting home owners. In both cases the temptation to save money overruled the importance of a safe or usable installation. The codes are in place to protect the next person who buys or rents a house or office space. Go to a 3rd world country where there is no code enforcement and look at the wiring with masking tape splices or buildings that have collapsed because someone left out the rebar.

Human nature is not conducive to consistent good construction practices and more than it is conducive to good banking or investment practices when regulations are removed.

A homeowner does not need to be a licensed contractor to do many construction tasks on their own, whether it is pouring concrete for a patio or replacing doors or windows or repairing plumbing. Installing a gas line or a 220V circuit for a hot tub though is required to be done by a licensed professional as a matter of public safety. I for one would be more than a little upset to have a friend or family member blown up or electrocuted because someone decided to save a few hundred dollars.

These days with the current economy it is not hard to find licensed plumbers and electricians charging $55 an hour so the total cost of a project is not really increased significantly by hiring a professional.

In Sioux City (place where op asked question) they want to pass a law so that ANY electrical, plumbing, HVAC, etc. HAS to be done BY a licensed professional. You wouldn't be able to get a permit. Its just about supporting the union, they have no other explanation as to why it would be better to have licensed people to do it instead. They say it will help protect people, after people complained about how it would get inspected anyways, they say it will protect the person doing it.
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thank you rgsgww. and let me add to what i said that i am all for protecting workers but stop short of legitimized corruption, which is what this is, more reminescent of some oppressive communist regime.
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thank you rgsgww. and let me add to what i said that i am all for protecting workers but stop short of legitimized corruption, which is what this is, more reminescent of some oppressive communist regime.
Exactly, I have nothing against union, just the people who push it too far.
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i think this issue needs to be addressed on a federal level, i.e. some legislation passed to make EVERY municipality have to adhere to some federal law defining what people can and cannot do with their houses. in other words, it would be nice if this issue was not let at the discretion of local governments but enforced on the federal level. i know a lot of people are for local/state rights as opposed to federal but i think this would work very nicely.

do i see it coming: NO.

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