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Sean Price 08-10-2012 09:18 PM

Replacing Old Receptacle with New One
 
what the fudge sticks man?

I am not a DIY'er or a handy man but I gave it a shot..

I replaced an old a$$ receptacle with a brand new one and I wired it EXACTLY the same as the old one..

I know this because I did it WIRE BY WIRE!! i.e. I took 1 wire off the old receptacle and installed it on the new one.. wire by wire..

Power works and all that.. BUT NOW the ONLY light switch in the room does not control the bottom receptacle anymore?

what gives? i don't get it.. what changed?

Previously the light switch gave power to this outlets bottom plug, so I had the lamp plugged into it and turned it on/off with the light switch..

but that doesn't work?

I even triple checked my work and still not seeing whats up?


any ideas?


oNe.


p.s. HOW do you release the wires on these new fangled outlets? It says push spring in slot to release but I am not seeing it? any ideas?

Canucker 08-10-2012 09:22 PM

Did you break the tabs off the new receptacle to separate them?

k_buz 08-10-2012 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Canucker (Post 985828)
Did you break the tabs off the new receptacle to separate them?

nope :no:

oh'mike 08-10-2012 10:26 PM

Could have been exciting if the switch and outlets were on a different leg---I did that once---blew the main breaker---

Missouri Bound 08-10-2012 11:21 PM

Look at the old receptacle. You will see a tab broken off between the side terminals. And you should never use the back stab method.

Sean Price 08-11-2012 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Missouri Bound (Post 985909)
Look at the old receptacle. You will see a tab broken off between the side terminals. And you should never use the back stab method.

no idea what you gents are going on about.. so I googled it and i looked at the receptacle itself.. your right the tab is "missing"

so I have to make the new one match the old one right?

1. How exactly do you "break" the tab off?

2. what exactly is the back stab method?


3. is there a website that shows the different versions of these receptacles?


one receptacle had 4 holes with the wires in and you simply "pushed" the slots to release the wires.. EASY as pie. I think thats the "back stab method" referred in #2 above right?

but these other ones don't have the push button release, instead it has like a really narrow slot, with the cryptic message, " push spring thru slot to release wire" <--- BUT HOW? screw drivers don't fit in there.. and i don't see any spring in the slot.. apparently i didn't do that because I noticed there is chunks of wires that broke off when I pulled the out still stick in the receptacles.. HOW DO I RELEASE them?

thanks in advance!

oNe

oNe

Missouri Bound 08-11-2012 10:17 PM

A very thin, small screwdriver will fit in those slots. You insert it and it depresses the spring which holds the wire. You should be able to pull out the wire then. Then use the screw to make your connections. Or buy a receptacle with clamps to hold the wire from the rear rather than spring tension. They are more expensive.

electures 08-11-2012 10:24 PM

Or long nose pliers.

frenchelectrican 08-11-2012 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Price (Post 986504)
no idea what you gents are going on about.. so I googled it and i looked at the receptacle itself.. your right the tab is "missing"

so I have to make the new one match the old one right?

1. How exactly do you "break" the tab off?

Use the needle nose pliars that work the best just twist couple time it will pop off only on brass coloured side (line side ) but jamais ( never) on netural or white screws.

2. what exactly is the back stab method?

It is a spring loaded cam to hold the conductor and this item is NOT my favour item at all I get them in service call pretty often and normally I use the screw or backwired devices the backwired is different than backstabbed due it have screw and a plate to close it in that is much better than backstabbers are.


3. is there a website that shows the different versions of these receptacles?

Oui.

Backstabbed verison.
http://i430.photobucket.com/albums/q...l/DSC09712.jpg

Backwired verison

http://inspectapedia.com/electric/Re...0054_DJFcs.jpg


one receptacle had 4 holes with the wires in and you simply "pushed" the slots to release the wires.. EASY as pie. I think thats the "back stab method" referred in #2 above right?

but these other ones don't have the push button release, instead it has like a really narrow slot, with the cryptic message, " push spring thru slot to release wire" <--- BUT HOW? screw drivers don't fit in there.. and i don't see any spring in the slot.. apparently i didn't do that because I noticed there is chunks of wires that broke off when I pulled the out still stick in the receptacles.. HOW DO I RELEASE them?

thanks in advance!

oNe

oNe

My reply in Bleu.


You can able remove them with very small screwdriver but most case I useally twisted back and forth that useally come out pretty fast.

Merci,
Marc

AllanJ 08-12-2012 07:46 AM

The problem with twisting back and forth is that you put a lot of flexing stress on the wires and then the wires could break unseen inside the insulation at some later date when you are replacing the receptacle again or making changes. The wires can be bent, including for stuffing back in the box, only a limited number of times.

After you extract a wire from a push-in-and-it-sticks (backstab) receptacle or switch, the wire end usually has a nick or two on it. A nick that is more than a scratch can lead to breakage of the wire over the years even from trucks rolling by on the street causing vibrations. It is wise to snip off the end where the nick is and strip off more insulation to get a fresh wire end to reconnect with.


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