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Old 11-03-2013, 04:21 PM   #1
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After removing the old HEAVY ceiling fan, I have one double white wire coming out of the ceiling, which splits into two (see last 2 pics). One side was connected to the old fan's one green wire & one white wire. The other side was connected to the old fan's one black & one blue wire.

After a recent experience replacing an exterior front porch light, I was half-way expecting to see a metal box with one black, one white & one ground wire coming out of the ceiling, so I'm a bit hesitant to move forward.

All helpful thoughts & guidance on how to proceed are truly appreciated.

Also, if anyone has suggestions on 52" energy star rated ceiling fans, I'm all ears.
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The twin cable coming from the ceiling is lamp cord and should never have been used the way it was. The box is also wrong for a ceiling fan.

The lamp cord needs to be replaced with a proper cable before you go any further.

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By the looks of it i think you'll find a metal box under the drywall. I'm thinking that bracket and 2 screws must be attached to a box that was plastered over.
Was there a wall switch controlling the fan?
If so, you probably have a switch loop and they used the wrong wire to bring power to the switch resulting in 2 whites at the fixture.
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X2 on replacing the lamp cord. You also need go install a fan rated electrical box.
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The twin cable coming from the ceiling is lamp cord and should never have been used the way it was. The box is also wrong for a ceiling fan.

The lamp cord needs to be replaced with a proper cable before you go any further.
Good catch Jim, i did not look at the wires too closely.

well i guess i really didnt look at the pictures too closely. I also just noticed the screws. so the bracket is probably just screwed into a joist.
If there is no box, i wonder where the lamp cord comes from?

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Plus they are using Tapcons for holding the bracket up. Cough, Hack jab, Cough.
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The tapcons might be the best part of that job.
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The lamp cord needs to be replaced with a proper cable before you go any further.
What does this entail and on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the most difficult, how would you rate this as a DIY project?

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I'm not sure...Aside from reconnecting it, how can I determine?
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What does this entail and on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being the most difficult, how would you rate this as a DIY project?


I'm not sure...Aside from reconnecting it, how can I determine?
First off, what is above that room? How old is the place that you are in? Do you own or rent?
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The tapcons might be the best part of that job.
We have not seen any duct tape yet.
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Difficulty depends entirely on how far that cord goes and the access to the spaces for new cables. You might get real lucky and be able to use the lamp cord as a pull wire for the new cable.
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First off, what is above that room? How old is the place that you are in? Do you own or rent?
Attic crawl space, 43 years, own
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If not finished, you will be in luck then, to fix that problem. Bad thing is, you are most likely going to find even more Easter Eggs, besides this one.

Have you gone around to other ceiling fixtures, outlets and switches, to check the wiring at them, for any Easter Eggs like this one? What shape is the panel in, in what the previous owner has done there?
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If not finished, you will be in luck then, to fix that problem. Bad thing is, you are most likely going to find even more Easter Eggs, besides this one.
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Please define "not finished".
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Have you gone around to other ceiling fixtures, outlets and switches, to check the wiring at them, for any Easter Eggs like this one?
Not one by one...I had a home inspection before I bought the house. I've been working on his recommendations. One of which was to have a licensed electrician come in to take a look at his concerns. I have had a few electricians come through but no one pointed out this "Easter Egg". That said, I can see many of the interior outlets & light switches appear to be fairly new but many of the exterior are old & probably need to be replaced. And if someone can explain why the radio in the built-in radio/intercom turns on every once in a while...on it's own. And no...The house is not haunted.

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What shape is the panel in, in what the previous owner has done there?
The main panel is "225 Amp Zinsco with 250MCM Copper Entrance Cables" it looks original i.e. old but in decent shape; there's a newer smaller "Bryant" panel (good condition) directly behind the kitchen wall for all of it's stuff and another "GE" panel outside for the pool equipment but it's bottom is all rusted out.
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If the attic were finished you would have flooring in place etc.

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