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Old 11-13-2012, 07:42 PM   #16
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I've use a drill with the trigger locked, so I could hear it shut off.
I did mention to not have the batterys in a battery back up radio for a reason.
I shut off all the breakers, killed the main, looked for a sub panel still never shut off. It was a duuh moment when I figured it out.


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Old 11-13-2012, 07:56 PM   #17
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Sounds like you are giving yourself the $50 treatment.Restripping, vacuuming,shimming! Good go.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:14 PM   #18
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So starting in Jan 2014 a simple receptacle changeout will require that branch circuit to be AFCI protected if not already? Don't see how that can be enforced. My locality doesn't require a permit for switching out existing receptacles. They don't currently require (but strongly encourage) AFCI anywhere either, not even bedrooms. That's according to the inspector who inspected my load center changeout last spring.

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Old 11-13-2012, 08:40 PM   #19
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Many places do not require AFCI breakers be installed on a panel/service/breaker replacement. There may be local amendments that change some things from the NEC.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:43 PM   #20
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I installed TR outlets in my issues....they work just fine.....

Pink....after you have mapped out all of your a little research on pig will make the replacement process a bit easier.....and a lot easier in the future if you have to replace one again.

Basically, you take the two sets of wires coming into the box....wire nut the blacks together along with about a 5" single the same with the whites....and then shove the wire nutted part into the back of the box with only the pig tail sticking out....this is the part that you wire to the outlet. Do NOT use the back stab feature on the outlet (pushing wires into the holes in the back that are spring loaded). That is one of the most common failures with outlets.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:19 AM   #21
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Thanks again for all the input but have another question.

Would (1) breaker typically support (1) room, for example the bedrooms have 4-5 receptables in them? While writing this I am adding up AMPS
in my head and may of answered my own question. Is one breaker typically used for one room? And if one room only has 2-3 outlets could I come across multiple rooms on the same breaker or is it a standard that one breaker one room?

Sorry for such basic questions.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:36 AM   #22
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Chances are that you will have several rooms on one breaker.
Make sure you check the top and bottom of the receptacle when you turn a breaker off.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:39 AM   #23
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Better check how many conductor cable you have also. If you have no ground wire, you will need to address this before you change any receptacles.


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