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amakarevic 07-14-2012 05:17 PM

replacing a 60 A double slot breaker with 2 30s
 
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I am getting rid of my elec stove replacing it with gas and would like to use the double slot for the basement apartment countertop range and water heater, each 30A, I believe. But the problem is that i am out of slots in my panel and this will free up only two adjacent slots. 30A breakers also require a double slot. I was wondering if there is a solution, like those single breakers that support two circuits.

See attached. The 60A circuit is on top.

Thanks

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TarheelTerp 07-14-2012 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by amakarevic (Post 965708)
I am getting rid of my elec stove replacing it with gas
and would like to use the double slot for the basement apartment

That's fine. Remove the WIRES which are fed by that breaker.

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...countertop range and water heater
I was wondering if there is a solution
Yeah. Use that 60A breaker to feed a small subpanel.
I'd put any/all tenant circuits in there that can be accommodated...
and keep the upstairs & general use stuff (water heater?) in the first panel.

amakarevic 07-14-2012 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TarheelTerp (Post 965716)
Yeah. Use that 60A breaker to feed a small subpanel.

oh but that's more work than i want to do right now. i will eventually split the house in two meters and will do it then.

TarheelTerp 07-14-2012 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by amakarevic (Post 965728)
oh but that's more work than i want to do right now. i will eventually split the house in two meters and will do it then.

I'm reminded of a quote...
Never put off till tomorrow what you can do the day after tomorrow-Mark Twain
Oops! Lets try this one:
Never put off till tomorrow that which you can do today. -Benjamin Franklin

amakarevic 07-14-2012 06:29 PM

thank you for your wisdom, sir, i am in a time crunch, i may go bankrupt if i try to do everything the perfect way rather than focus on wrapping the project up.

so a subpanel is out of question at this time.

thanks

k_buz 07-14-2012 08:00 PM

1) Is your panel rated from tandem breakers? (post a picture of the sticker on the inside door of your panel)

2) Is there a detailed list of what is on each circuit? You could possibly double up some lighter circuits.

3) Gas water heater.

AllanJ 07-15-2012 07:10 AM

A 240 volt water heater and a 240 volt countertop stove still need double wide breakers. Other circuits would have to be moved to single wide double breakers. You might find a double wide quad tandem breaker with handles 1 and 4 tied together for one 240 volt circuit and handles 2 and 3 tied together for another 240 volt circuit.

In addition to the requirement that the panel and the specific breaker be compatible, each panel has a limit to the number of breaker handles where a double breaker counts as two handles.

mpoulton 07-15-2012 01:55 PM

If your panel accepts them, you could use a 30/30 quad breaker. But a subpanel sounds like the best solution. It's hardly any more work and only a little bit more money.

Code05 07-15-2012 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by mpoulton (Post 966313)
If your panel accepts them, you could use a 30/30 quad breaker. But a subpanel sounds like the best solution. It's hardly any more work and only a little bit more money.

I think that panel is a SQ-D QO, I am doubtful the OP will find a quad 30/30, but maybe.

LooseSCruz 07-15-2012 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Code05 (Post 966319)
I think that panel is a SQ-D QO, I am doubtful the OP will find a quad 30/30, but maybe.

The only quad breaker currently manufactured for a QO panel is a 20303020, where the 20's are untied, so you are correct that OP is out of luck.

kontoose 07-15-2012 03:53 PM

The quickest and cheapest way is to take out four 20amp single-pole breakers, install two twin 20/20amp breakers in their place, and attach the four circuit wires to these two twin breakers. Now you will have created two free breaker spaces. Now, take out the 60amp breaker. This will leave you with four open spaces. You can now install the two new 30amp 2-pole breakers for the water heater and stove top.

jbfan 07-15-2012 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kontoose (Post 966366)
The quickest and cheapest way is to take out four 20amp single-pole breakers, install two twin 20/20amp breakers in their place, and attach the four circuit wires to these two twin breakers. Now you will have created two free breaker spaces. Now, take out the 60amp breaker. This will leave you with four open spaces. You can now install the two new 30amp 2-pole breakers for the water heater and stove top.

Without the panel info, we do not know if this panel will accept tandom breakers.

amakarevic 07-15-2012 08:57 PM

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Here is the tag. Thanks.

Class CTL-- Panelboard Series L8

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k_buz 07-15-2012 09:44 PM

No not that tag. The sticker on the inside of the panel door.

kontoose 07-15-2012 10:03 PM

Square "D" Q.O. panels, together with their breakers, have no rejection pins that would prevent twin single-pole breakers from being installed. You learn something every day - right...!...:)


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