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Old 12-17-2012, 08:48 PM   #16
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Old 12-17-2012, 08:51 PM   #17
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Please post a pic of both sides of the receptacle.
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Old 12-17-2012, 08:53 PM   #18
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I see 3 cables, and since none of 3 whites are marked as being a hot wire for a switch loop, you will have to figure out which one is for the switch (probably one of the top ones since you said one switch was above it) and where the other cable goes.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:26 PM   #19
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One 'cable' should go to the switch.

One should be hot all the time

One should be heading off to the next switched receptacle.

Now you need to figure out which one is which.

With the breaker OFF, confirm no voltage present on any of the wires.

Unplug everything on this circuit and remove all light bulbs from fixed fixtures so you don't get false readings.

Put your meter on ohms and check each cable separately for continuity. Flip switch and check again to figure out which one is the switch wire.

Then, making sure no blacks or whites are touching anything, switch the breaker on and check the other cables for voltage. That will be the hot.

There should be no voltage on the last cable.

If you wire this wrong, you can send voltage to the switch and cause a short circuit, blow the switch, and possibly cause a fire.

If you have children don't let them anywhere near this.

If you don't know how to do all of this safely PLEASE call a professional.
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If you don't know how to do all of this safely PLEASE call a professional.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:01 PM   #21
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Please post a pic of both sides of the receptacle.
Please!

If you are correct and the connecting tabs are sill on both sides of the receptacle...

what I just posted is not correct, and in that case...

we are back to this simply not making sense again.


Also, please post a pic of the tester you are using.
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Old 12-18-2012, 10:46 AM   #22
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I will look and take a picture of the receptacle latter this evening. I am pretty sure it is not broke.

I am thinking that the top two cables are for the two switches above the outlet i am questioning. One of the use to control the power to two outlet and the other the a light outside. That outlet in question was controlled by two switches. one right above and the other on the other side of the room, so it was a 3-way switch.

Could you explain why there would be one white (neutral) and one black (hot) twisted together with a wire nut?
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I will look and take a picture of the receptacle latter this evening. I am pretty sure it is not broke.

I am thinking that the top two cables are for the two switches above the outlet i am questioning. One of the use to control the power to two outlet and the other the a light outside. That outlet in question was controlled by two switches. one right above and the other on the other side of the room, so it was a 3-way switch.

Could you explain why there would be one white (neutral) and one black (hot) twisted together with a wire nut?
The switch to the outside light shouldn't go through this outlet box.

Were two of the black wires nutted together with a 3rd short wire (pigtail)? All your descriptions only talk about 2 of the black wires.

The white is being used to carry the hot to the switch and it comes back on the black wire. As someone mentioned before normally the white wire would be tagged with black tape to indicate it is carrying the hot.

Based on your picture and what you said about 2 of the white being connected directly to the outlet, the two whites on the left of the box appear to be curled as if they were wrapped around the connecting screw. That should make the one on the right the switch leg. But you really need to test them out as was previously suggested.
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:34 AM   #24
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I think from his description some of the wires were backstabbed.

""" two whites being plugged into the silver screws """ ?
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Old 12-18-2012, 11:39 AM   #25
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Old 12-18-2012, 05:31 PM   #26
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You - 3 cables coming into the box -

but - there were 4

you - two whites being plugged into the silver screws and one black to the brass. One black and one white was capped together - that makes 3 white and 2 black

but - there were 4 black and 4 white

you - two light switches (one above the outlet and the other on the other side of the room) that controls the outlets

but - now you say 2 switches above the plug

you - i am not sure how i would do this with my voltmeter

means - you do not know how to use a voltmeter

I asked - Was there one switch or two? I think you said 2

you answered - Yes two switches and they control two outlets and nothing else

first there was 1 switch above outlet, one on other side of room and they were the only 2

now you say - two switches above the outlet i am questioning. One of the use to control the power to two outlet and the other the a light outside and the other one across the room makes 3 switches.

3 of us have tried to help you but as you can see from the above you are giving us wrong information over and over again.

I and others have asked several simple direct questions that you never answered.

myself and others here really try very hard to help people with their problems. The assistance that I have witnessed and the time people obviously put into this is amazing and none of us get anything in return.

There comes a point when, for me, I simply do not believe that the person can do the work safely and I am afraid that they will hurt themselves or cause serious problems.

Electricity can and does KILL. It takes an average of 4 full years, 8000 hours of working as an apprentice before someone is even allowed to take the required tests and become a licensed electrician.

This is very serious business.

I am sorry, but the only advice I can give you now is to hire a licensed electrician.

I truly hope that you do, and I pray for your safety.

I am only speaking for myself.

Maybe someone else will try to help.
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I didn't mention the two light switches over the outlet because i wasn't sure if the switch to the outside light had anything to so with the outlet. I just mention the one that works with the outlet, that's my bad.

Yes I am not an electric pro but i am able to learn well and fast. I am careful when dealing with electric stuff.

I am at work and not home to be able to answer some of the questions. I was waiting till i got home.

I really appreciate all the help you have given me. i seriously do.
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:29 PM   #28
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ok for what it is worth he is my findings on the wiring.
Any help would be appreciated.

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Old 12-18-2012, 08:37 PM   #29
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Is that the same receptacle you originally removed in the first picture or a different one?

If it is not the same one, do you still have the one you originally removed, or did you throw it away?
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Old 12-18-2012, 08:45 PM   #30
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This the is the original receptacle that was there before i touched it. It looks like who ever own this house before replaced some of the receptacles, but not all of them.

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