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Old 10-24-2013, 12:21 PM   #16
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Stop calling it a gang box. It's a recept box or a switch box. If there are multiple devices in the box it's a 2 gang switch box, 3 gang switch box....

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You are not allowed by the electric code to have lighting on the dining room receptacle circuit.
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You are not allowed by the electric code to have lighting on the dining room receptacle circuit.
Even if that lighting is not actually in the dining room?
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No lighting, regardless of location.
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Stop calling it a gang box. It's a recept box or a switch box. If there are multiple devices in the box it's a 2 gang switch box, 3 gang switch box....
A gangbox is a place to dump tools at the end of the day ,A single/2/3 or 4 gang box is for wiring.
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You are not allowed by the electric code to have lighting on the dining room receptacle circuit.
That's good to know. I'll check my local code for more info. But it doesn't make much sense to me since the lighting would be an "add-on" outside.
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Those circuits typically also power the kitchen receptacles where large draw appliances like coffee makers and toasters are used.
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Here's a thought that might help, but might look a little silly. If you convert your 1 gang box to a two gang box it will make it easy to remove it.

You just cut the existing hole wide enough to fit in a 2 gang old work box(make sure you know what side the stud is on). You'll now have access to the nails holding the box to the stud and can pull them out with pliers. Install the two gang old work box and either add another receptacle so you can plug in 4 devices or use one of those hybrid covers that have a phone or cable jack on the other side. You might not love it, but guests aren't likely to think twice about it.

This will also give you a huge hole to work with for fishing through the wall.
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Those circuits typically also power the kitchen receptacles where large draw appliances like coffee makers and toasters are used.
Dining should not, since it should be on its own circuit, that would also feed the baseboard outlets in the Kitchen (ie gas stove 120 can be on this circuit).

If the person who did the circuit design did it correct, they would have made it so that you could pull a future circuit later. Now of course, if the OP would be able to pull from the circuit that feeds the front doorway lighting, or garage lighting if attached, vs. pulling a single feed from the panel to feed this lighting circuit.

My backdoor entry along with outside lighting, comes off of the same circuit that feeds the Kitchen lighting. Front entry & front door outside comes off of the Living room outlet & ceiling lighting circuit. This is due to how it was done back in the day. Even today, you run into where the lighting for outdoors is setup the same way, or feeds off of the outdoor outlet circuit, that has a gfci on it.
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Mikegp, finding someone with small hands usually helps, in having them grab the wire as it is pulled down with fish sticks. I always tear mine up, when trying to reach into a single gang cutout. Looks like I have been fighting with the family cat, when I get done.
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Dining should not, since it should be on its own circuit, that would also feed the baseboard outlets in the Kitchen (ie gas stove 120 can be on this circuit).

If the person who did the circuit design did it correct, they would have made it so that you could pull a future circuit later. Now of course, if the OP would be able to pull from the circuit that feeds the front doorway lighting, or garage lighting if attached, vs. pulling a single feed from the panel to feed this lighting circuit.

My backdoor entry along with outside lighting, comes off of the same circuit that feeds the Kitchen lighting. Front entry & front door outside comes off of the Living room outlet & ceiling lighting circuit. This is due to how it was done back in the day. Even today, you run into where the lighting for outdoors is setup the same way, or feeds off of the outdoor outlet circuit, that has a gfci on it.
Thats why Ive always run seperate circuits for every room,I still run a seperate lighting circuit for the kitchen and another for dining room lights though since I always run 20a circuits for all kitchen and dining circuits independent from each other of course.

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