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Old 02-05-2014, 11:41 AM   #16
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It appears that the least expensive solution would be to put an single or duplex plug outlet in the ceiling.
It would be unusual to have a fixture box that would fit a device...most fixture boxes are round.

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If what you say is true, then by that definition, an unused duplex receptacle is not an outlet either.
I agree completely and the inspector could force us to plug something into each receptacle for inspection to make it a "outlet". I agree this is a problem with the code, but it doesn't change the fact that a blanked off JB is not an outlet according to the NEC definition.

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I've seen this debate before, and the case where a actual fixture is NOT required to be installed to satisfy the NEC requirement.
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A good example is that about 98% of the new homes I work in around here have all the EGCs in a box cut to about 3 inches long and twisted with the one left about 6 inches long and then placed in a steel ground crimp and mashed with side-cutters.
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Just extend the EGC with a wire nut, code violation eliminated. As far as using the correct crimping tool, eh, good look enforcing that one.

I use Kline's with a crimper, but they still don't meet code for that style crimp. Yes, I am a hack.
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Just extend the EGC with a wire nut, code violation eliminated. As far as using the correct crimping tool, eh, good look enforcing that one.

I use Kline's with a crimper, but they still don't meet code for that style crimp. Yes, I am a hack.
Sorry, I'm not buying that extending the EGC with a pigtail meets the free conductor requirement. Even if it did, it would need to be there at inspection time; so, are you suggesting that they cut them too short and then pigtail them before inspection. Seems easier to leave them long enough to start with. If you've ever had to rework the ground to replace the box and found them all so short that you had to crimp a pigtail on with a Buchanan before putting the cable in the new box, you'd understand my frustration.

I'm a big fan of the copper Buchanan crimp and I don't understand what's so terrible about wanting people to use the $50 tool (C-24) to crimp them. It's what I do and it doesn't seem to be an unreasonable burden.

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