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Old 05-22-2008, 07:00 PM   #1
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Hi all, I am in the latter stages of a major basement remodel.

I was planning on installing a pair of 4" "remodel" can lights in hallway. These are the kind that you insert through a hole and clamp directly to the drywall. I wired it as a basic 3-way switch with the two fixtures in the middle.

The problem is the metal arm and the little tiny metal junction box on the fixture. Too many wires to fit in the box and the arm/box is also getting in the way preventing a flush fit.

1) Can I (legally) just remove the arm/box from the rest of the light?

2) Can (or should) I add a regular plastic box inside the joist? It would be buried, but I still have access to it though the light fixture since I can just push up the calmps and take it out.

3) The factory box on the fixture has a ground wire, but I could also just screw a ground wire to the "shell" of the lamp housing.

I have followed all codes to this point, but my first concern is always safety. I'd like to stay with the recessed lights because it is a basement hallway with slightly lower ceiling and I have soffits on each side of the lights.

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First I must ask, how many wires could you possibly have to put in these boxes???

DO NOT! remove the arm from the fixture!
DO NOT screw a ground wire to the can.
If you HAD to you could put a J-box in the ceiling IF it fits through the hole of the fixture, but this is an absolute last resort.

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The j-box on the light is 2.5 x 3.25 x 1.5" or roughly 12 cu. in.

For the 3-way switched connection I have (2) 2-wire and (1) 3-wire romex coming into each fixture.

The metal panels on the j-box on the light says "2 in and 2 out". I wasn't sure if that meant the individual wires and if it included the black and white going directly to the bulb housing.

Basically - I don't think I can cram 10 wires (plus the two for the fixture) into the box.

What is the purpose of the little arm? It doesn't actually attach to anything. It just seems to hold the box.

Here's a scan of what I'm wanting to install.
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Run the 3 conductor between the switches and just the two conductor from one switch to light to light.
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Why do you have three wire in the cans. Why don't you run your travelers straight from one switch to the other
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For the 3-way switched connection I have (2) 2-wire and (1) 3-wire romex coming into each fixture.
to much wire for that box



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Basically - I don't think I can cram 10 wires (plus the two for the fixture) into the box.
that's because it is not big enough legally for that many wires

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What is the purpose of the little arm? It doesn't actually attach to anything. It just seems to hold the box.
that is like asking what the wall of yoru house is for as all I see it doing is connecting the roof to the floor. That arm is an integral part of the fixture and removing it would defeat the UL listing i.e. illegal.
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I agree with HH.

HOW are you making this work???? What wires are going where?
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It's kind of a long story as to why things are the way they are, but it is mostly related to what was already in place when the house was built.

Here is the exact circuit config. This is from Black and Decker complete home wiring.
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