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Old 02-25-2010, 07:27 PM   #1
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Ok im wondering how i can run wire to some new receptacles on this length of wall....as you can see i have minimal room behind the plasterboard to install some standard size receptacle boxes...i wanted to use shallow boxes but those require the wire to be stapled before entering the box...am i stuck with running raceway here?



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What's behind the wall? Concrete? Brick? Fortress of Solitude? I cold chiseled out a brick wall behind some wood paneling so I could get deeper boxes in. Good thing it was softer brick - the mortar was harder than the brick.

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What's behind the wall? Concrete? Brick? Fortress of Solitude? I cold chiseled out a brick wall behind some wood paneling so I could get deeper boxes in. Good thing it was softer brick - the mortar was harder than the brick.
its the basement concrete wall...
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Ok, your solution then is to build out for your deeper rec., put some trim around it and make it look nice and custom.
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Ok, your solution then is to build out for your deeper rec., put some trim around it and make it look nice and custom.
I knew you guys would come through...even if it sticks out maybe half an inch...its still better than having raceway all over the wall...thanks!
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Ok im wondering how i can run wire to some new receptacles on this length of wall....as you can see i have minimal room behind the plasterboard to install some standard size receptacle boxes...i wanted to use shallow boxes but those require the wire to be stapled before entering the box...am i stuck with running raceway here?
Fished retrofitted NM does not have to be stapled, methinks.
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Shallow boxes require stapling? What about a shallow retrofit? I don't have the instructions handy but I'm not sure how a retrofit box could require stapling.

Google "carlon b108r" and check that out maybe?
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Shallow boxes require stapling? What about a shallow retrofit? I don't have the instructions handy but I'm not sure how a retrofit box could require stapling.

Google "carlon b108r" and check that out maybe?
I was looking for shallow re-model boxes but couldn't find any...the only ones i could find were some that you have to screw into your mounting surface...inside the box it stated that the wire had to be stapled...but now that i know there are re-model shallow boxes i will have to get some...good stuff!
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Standard metal 4 square boxes are 1 1/2" deep, add a flat one gang plate. You can screw thru the back of the box into plastic anchors.

Be sure to make a shallow hole for the ground screw.
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Carlon box B117RSW
Page six of the catalog.

Seen here.http://www.acehardwareoutlet.com/(oj...?SKU=998007302
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"You can screw thru the back of the box into plastic anchors."
Isn't that an NEC violation? Correct me if I'm wrong, gently please. Won't this leave "exposed screw/fastener" heads within the box? David
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"You can screw thru the back of the box into plastic anchors."
Isn't that an NEC violation? Correct me if I'm wrong, gently please. Won't this leave "exposed screw/fastener" heads within the box? David


No useally not a NEC violations at all and it is common to do that with metal j boxes plus a bit of plastique boxes as well so it is NOT a issue ditto with earth screw { green grounding screw } as long you do not leave anything sharp inside the box you are ok.

And the other tip here with 1.5 inch 4 X4 boxes when you bring in the conductor or cable try to run in off centre so that way you don't really have to " fight " with the conductor or cable comming in centre knockout opening so keep it in your mind with it.

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Well I saw one that had better trim then this at one point
But I can't find it
The one I saw had fancy trim around the edge of the flat trim shown
It looked really nice once painted

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No useally not a NEC violations at all and it is common to do that with metal j boxes plus a bit of plastique boxes as well so it is NOT a issue ditto with earth screw { green grounding screw } as long you do not leave anything sharp inside the box you are ok.

And the other tip here with 1.5 inch 4 X4 boxes when you bring in the conductor or cable try to run in off centre so that way you don't really have to " fight " with the conductor or cable comming in centre knockout opening so keep it in your mind with it.

Merci.
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As Marc said. Not a problem. Also remember that you can't use mounting screws for attachment of ground wires. Have to use a listed means for attaching those.
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Well I saw one that had better trim then this at one point
But I can't find it
The one I saw had fancy trim around the edge of the flat trim shown
It looked really nice once painted

this looks like the best option because i think the shallow remodel box was still to deep...if you look in the picture i only have about 1-1/4" to work with and thats from the concrete wall to the outer surface of the plasterboard...i think with some rounded edges this could look pretty nice! i could even match the stain with the current wood trim! can you tell im excited? ; )

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