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Old 05-18-2013, 07:26 AM   #16
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NONE of these areas is a wet location.
A bathroom ceiling is a damp location. You can use pretty much any standard recessed/trim combo.

Even inside a shower is only considered a damp location unless the light is subject to shower spray.

Except over the tub/shower .... ie this area ... MUST have right trim .....or be suitable for this area ...



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Recessed lights over a vanity create very hard shadow lines on the face and under the chin. It is not the most flattering.
if they are centered over your head and not the vanity ....
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Except over the tub/shower .... ie this area ... MUST have right trim .....or be suitable for this area ...


No, even over a shower only need a damp trim.
The graphic you show has nothing to do with recessed lighting.

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(D) Bathtub and Shower Areas. No parts of cord-connected luminaires, chain-, cable-, or cord-suspended luminaires, lighting track, pendants, or ceiling-suspended (paddle) fans shall be located within a zone measured 900 mm (3 ft) horizontally and 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. This zone is all encompassing and includes the space directly over the tub or shower stall. Luminaires located within the actual outside dimension of the bathtub or shower to a height of 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower threshold shall be marked for damp locations, or marked for wet locations where subject to shower spray.
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if they are centered over your head and not the vanity ....
Recessed lights anywhere above, around or near a vanity are TERRIBLE light, if they are the only source.
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Are you kidding???? You honestly think that is less work than new-work cans??
Did you read how the ceiling is framed, with the furring strips attached to the joists?

And the fixtures don't have any adjustment height-wise?

I agree with the OP- I would not want to support the cans using the narrow ends of the furring strips.

Cheaper and easier IMO to use old work cans as just that- old work.
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I'd do old work cans as suggested.


1. You should use 6" cans rather than 4" cans.

2. You should definitely use IC rated cans.


Open trims over the vanity and a closed trim in the shower, paired with LED bulbs and you'll like the amount of light.

Maybe consider one of these over the vanity:

http://www.overstockdeals.com/index....FScV7Aod9l0Aew

They are a nice upgrade, and this from Overstock is a great deal.
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Even inside a shower is only considered a damp location unless the light is subject to shower spray.
Seriously? You mean I can get rid of my bug/wasp collectors?
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No, even over a shower only need a damp trim.
The graphic you show has nothing to do with recessed lighting.
I hope your kidding ... we would never be able to get it passed unless it is marked wet location/ or for shower


Luminaires located within the actual outside dimension of the bathtub or shower to a height of 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower threshold shall be marked for damp locations, or marked for wet locations where subject to shower spray.
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Are "Luminaires", which I take as being like a drop light of some sort, consideredthe same as "Recessed Lights" in YOUR area?

I'm thinking that the image you put up would cause some confusion as it doesn't show recessed cans, but rather hanging light fixtures.



FWIW: I've seen "Chandeliers" over a tub or shower, where they were perfectly legal, and to code, due to the height above the tub or shower.

Different areas, different code applications.


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Luminaires are the term the code adopted instead of light fixture.

The graphic shown is showing the exclusionary zone for hanging fixtures. It does not apply to recessed.

A ceiling mounted recessed should not normally be subjected to shower spray.
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funny why a National company's would label certain Trims this way ..

"SHOWER"

http://progresslighting.com/products...oduct=P8009-60

http://progresslighting.com/products...oduct=P8025-60

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Halo-6-in...1#.UZlkioWha1A


when would a light NOT be subject to spray in the ZONE ????



if it is more than 8' ABOVE the edge of the tub ..ie Vaulted ceilings ....

or laterally outside the ZONE ...
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My shower head points down. It does not spray the ceiling.

Those links just show the trim is rated for either a damp or wet area. It does not automatically mean the ceiling is a wet area.
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right so if you are 6' tall your head is 24" from the cieling what happens to the the "spray" ???

or if you shake your head ....

swing the wash cloth over your should to do your back ???
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The only water on my ceiling after a shower is water vapor. Maybe being only 5'10" makes a difference?

Location, Wet. Installations underground or in concrete
slabs or masonry in direct contact with the earth; in locations
subject to saturation with water
or other liquids, such
as vehicle washing areas; and in unprotected locations exposed
to weather.

Sure doesn't describe my shower ceiling.
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The only water on my ceiling after a shower is water vapor. Maybe being only 5'10" makes a difference?

Location, Wet. Installations underground or in concrete
slabs or masonry in direct contact with the earth; in locations
subject to saturation with water
or other liquids, such
as vehicle washing areas; and in unprotected locations exposed
to weather.

Sure doesn't describe my shower ceiling.

try 410.6 ...

http://www.1on1tutoringlive.com/files/la7.htm

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