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Old 01-06-2013, 07:35 AM   #1
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Hi guys, long time lurker, first time poster.

The wife and I are remodeling our bedroom. Nothing to extravagant, just fresh paint, crown, probably a chair rail, and a couple recessed lights. What I'd like to do is wire in two dimmers. The first for 4 recessed lights for general lighting in the room and the second for either two or three smaller eyeball lights in the closet. Currently the only lighting in the room is a single switched outlet in corner and that's not adequate no matter what size bulb I throw in the lamp.

So my question is how do I convert the switched outlet over to the recessed lights? The circuit in question has 4 outlets on it, that last one being the switched outlet, with the switch being at the very end of the circuit. (The circuit is 15 amps btw) Over the winter the only thing in those outlets are two phone chargers, but over the summer we run an ac unit in the bedroom so that may pose a problem (I haven't tried to calculate the load since I haven't picked out the lights yet). I'd like to try and avoid running a dedicated line for lighting, but if that's what I gotta do I guess I'll have to go that route. Also, are there any code issues here I have to be aware of? Any advice, opinions, ideas?
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:12 AM   #2
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How much experience with electrical DIY do you have?

Is there attic above this bedroom?

Eyeballs may not be legal in a closet. What type of closet? Where do you plan on installing the eyeballs in relation to the clothes?

A job of this nature will require a permit. Can a homeowner pull permits in your area? What code cycle are you on? Will your new wiring require AFCI protection?

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How much experience with electrical DIY do you have?

Is there attic above this bedroom?

Eyeballs may not be legal in a closet. What type of closet? Where do you plan on installing the eyeballs in relation to the clothes?

A job of this nature will require a permit. Can a homeowner pull permits in your area? What code cycle are you on? Will your new wiring require AFCI protection?
1. I have some experience with electrical. I've remodeled most of the rooms in our house now, but electrical is definitely what gives me the most headaches.

2. Yes, there is an unfinished attic directly above the room that I have access too.

3. Ill try and post pictures of the closet when I get home. It's not a walk in closet, but it is a good size. It extends the length of the one wall and previously had two sets of bi-folding doors to give you an idea of the size. If its not code for inside the closet I'd probably alter the plan for just outside of it with the eyeball lights.

4. Definitely something ill have to check into. The only other time I've needed one was for the kitchen and I had a friend who was a GC act as my GC and he took care of that part. Unfortunately, he has passed since then.

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1. I have some experience with electrical. I've remodeled most of the rooms in our house now, but electrical is definitely what gives me the most headaches.

It can be pain in butt but if you do follow the instruction and do it right in first time it is not too bad but if you need some referince (info) you can get the Wiring Simpleied at any one of the big box store and that will give you some of good pointers and infomation but if not in the book just holler we can go from there.

2. Yes, there is an unfinished attic directly above the room that I have access too.

That will make it easier to bring in new cable as need to.

At the same time while in the attic take a look of your exsting luminaire location to see if that is fan rated box if not you may want to change that junction box to support the ceiling fan. and I useally run XX-3 NM cable from the ceiling fan box to the switch box for good reason due one will be for light and the other one for the fan and second reason why I do that is in case the remote control fail you still have a backup to control the ceiling fan.


3. Ill try and post pictures of the closet when I get home. It's not a walk in closet, but it is a good size. It extends the length of the one wall and previously had two sets of bi-folding doors to give you an idea of the size. If its not code for inside the closet I'd probably alter the plan for just outside of it with the eyeball lights.

The exposed eyeballs luminarie are generally not legit in the cloth closet at all.

Normally I will useally install the flourscent strip luminiare ( either open or enclosed ) above the doorway that genrally is the best spot due useally nothing will be piled up right front of the door anyway.

The other thing the bare indentscet lamps are not legit in there so it have to be enclosed.


4. Definitely something ill have to check into. The only other time I've needed one was for the kitchen and I had a friend who was a GC act as my GC and he took care of that part. Unfortunately, he has passed since then.

My answer in bleu and also you will required a electrical permit and building permit ( check with your local inspectors for more details on this one to see what they required )

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I would recommend that you use florescent lights in the closet.
If you are using single window a/c unit for the bedroom in the summer then you may be okay with adding the lights to the circuit, but I would recommend running the new lights off of an existing lighting circuit or pulling a new circuit from the panel. Shouldn't be too hard with an unfinished attic above. As for the switched outlet(s) you will need to provide more details on what wires are in those boxes as there are numerous ways that this can be wired. Not difficult but we will need to know what you have there to help further.
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Here's the way I would do it. The outlet remains hot and the switch now controls the cans. The fan represents the cans your looking to install. Off the first can you just Daisy chain to the other 3.

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Would it be easier to add a circuit for the A/C and add the lights to the existing circuit?
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Here's the way I would do it. The outlet remains hot and the switch now controls the cans. The fan represents the cans your looking to install. Off the first can you just Daisy chain to the other 3.

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Not me, I would change the switch loop to a feed and fish down to the switches as he will have to remove the existing single gang switch box with a 2/G.
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Thanks for the answers guys. I'm going to check and see how hard it would be to run a new line for the lights. Looking around at the lights I want to get today at lowes I think it would add up to be to much load for circuit. The bedroom is right above the panel so maybe it won't be to bad. Time to learn how to add a circuit I guess.

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