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Old 08-06-2008, 03:57 PM   #16
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RCCB (Residual Current Circuit Breaker) is the same meaning RCD."High sensitivity 30 mA RCD (for example differential load switch type ID’clic) on
circuits to bathrooms, shower rooms, laundry rooms, etc. (lighting, heating, socket
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This is suitable with IEC 60364-7. I intend attached the file for you but it is bigger size than max size of attached file. How can I send it for you cooper 4x4?
This is all very nice of you, but since you are in Asia, and the OP is in (I assume) the US, what purpose will it serve???

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Ok, I did some more research and from that and what I have read on here, I need to get a recessed fixture that is damp rated. The trim doesn't necessarily need to be shower trim as long as the fixture is damp rated.
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I am very surprised that NEC does not require GFCI for light above shower. I would use one anyway, but would not put it on the same circuit as the general bathroom lighting.
I guess if there is a minimum height restriction, then it's understandable, if no one can touch the fixture while in the shower.
My basement bathroom has such a low ceiling I couldn't put a light in the shower if I wanted to<g>.

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I am very surprised that NEC does not require GFCI for light above shower. I would use one anyway, but would not put it on the same circuit as the general bathroom lighting.
So whats wrong with the equipment ground bonded to the fixture that you feel the need for GFCI protection? Its a waste of money, and the whole gfci and general lighting scenario just cracks me up... Do all you people have emergency lighting in your homes in case you have a power outage?
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Ok, I did some more research and from that and what I have read on here, I need to get a recessed fixture that is damp rated. The trim doesn't necessarily need to be shower trim as long as the fixture is damp rated.
I sure hope your reading had to do with the local building codes in your area. It's your local municipality that overrides anything else. I still say, just call them.
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So whats wrong with the equipment ground bonded to the fixture that you feel the need for GFCI protection? Its a waste of money, and the whole gfci and general lighting scenario just cracks me up... Do all you people have emergency lighting in your homes in case you have a power outage?
At some point the risk is down in the noise, and your chance of dying is eventually 100.000%.

My chance [and that of all the males in my high school class] of dying within 22 years is 50%.

5000 people dying per year from food poisoning is usually down in the noise unless it's makes the papers.

But I don't think the GF or AFCI vendors are too eager to stress risk-tradeoffs.

Would there be a fuss if two jumbo jets (1000 people) crashed every single day, for years? Well, if I have my stats right the same number of people die from smoking related causes every single day, but their deaths are not in plain sight.

Have you ever read of someone in the paper who died from electrocution, and they said it was because they got a shock that a GFI could have prevented?

Or how 'bout because they had no AFCI, and there was a fire that was started by an arc that an AFCI might have detected, and someone died?

Fear, uncertainty and doubt can sell a lot of products.
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I sure hope your reading had to do with the local building codes in your area. It's your local municipality that overrides anything else. I still say, just call them.
my city has adopted the 2006 NEC Code
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my city has adopted the 2006 NEC Code
There is no 2006 NEC.
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sorry about that, I meant the 2005 NEC

AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF COPPELL, TEXAS
ORDINANCE NO. 2007-1166
AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF COPPELL, TEXAS AMENDING THE CODE OF ORDINANCES BY AMENDING CHAPTER 15
ARTICLE 15-2 TO ADOPT THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE, 2005 EDITION, AS THE CITY OF COPPELL ELECTRICAL
CODE; PROVIDING AMENDMENTS TO THE NATIONAL ELECTRICAL CODE, 2005 EDITION AND ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS;
PROVIDING A SEVERABILITY CLAUSE; PROVIDING A REPEALING CLAUSE; PROVIDING A SAVINGS CLAUSE; PROVIDING
A PENALTY FOR VIOLATION OF THIS ORDINANCE NOT TO EXCEED THE SUM OF FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS ($500.00) FOR
EACH OFFENSE; EXCEPT HOWEVER, WHERE A DIFFERENT PENALTY HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED BY STATE LAW FOR SUCH
OFFENSE WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF ANY PROVISION OF LAW THAT GOVERNS FIRE SAFETY, ZONING, OR PUBLIC
HEALTH AND SANITATION, INCLUDING DUMPING OF REFUSE, THE PENALTY SHALL BE A FINE NOT TO EXCEED
THE SUM OF TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS ($2,000.00) FOR EACH OFFENSE; AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

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