Go Back   DIY Chatroom Home Improvement Forum > Home Improvement > Electrical

CLICK HERE AND JOIN OUR COMMUNITY TODAY...IT'S FREE!

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 08-26-2012, 09:53 PM   #16
Licensed electrician
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Maryland
Posts: 7,505
Share |
Default

Recessed Light Issue


It does not matter that the wiring goes out in two directions from the one fixture. The integrity of the connections does matter.

__________________
Answers based on the National Electrical Code. Local amendments may apply. Check with your local building officials.
Jim Port is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2012, 10:04 PM   #17
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 95
Default

Recessed Light Issue


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Port View Post
It does not matter that the wiring goes out in two directions from the one fixture. The integrity of the connections does matter.
Would you mind elaborating? Which connection do you think may be wrong?

PS - If I'm not put on hurricane duty tomorrow at work, I'll be going to get a voltage tester and figuring out if the cable providing power isn't providing enough...

Just tried traditional incandescent bulbs and not getting anything out of them at all...
__________________
Come by and visit our renovation 'blog': '59ish Brick Ranch: Updating... everything...
natedro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2012, 11:03 PM   #18
Sparky
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 699
Default

Recessed Light Issue


you need a standard voltage tester (even a simple light tester would work), and check between the black and white of your 'power cable' in the switch box.
Techy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2012, 11:29 PM   #19
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 95
Default

Recessed Light Issue


Quote:
Originally Posted by Techy View Post
you need a standard voltage tester (even a simple light tester would work), and check between the black and white of your 'power cable' in the switch box.
That's the plan for tomorrow when HD is open. Just finished routing the switch cable to a fixture on the end of the group... no difference, not that I was really expecting one... just figured it'd be wise to rule out since that'd be free.
__________________
Come by and visit our renovation 'blog': '59ish Brick Ranch: Updating... everything...
natedro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-26-2012, 11:59 PM   #20
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 95
Default

Recessed Light Issue


Updated layout of wiring:

Name:  dining-light-questionupdated.jpg
Views: 177
Size:  16.2 KB




------------------------------------------------------



Previously wired something like this:

Name:  dining-light-question-before.jpg
Views: 155
Size:  38.3 KB

The switch that controlled the fan and the light separately was labeled behind the old switch and worked fine, so I capped the fan since I don't have one now. However, at the old fixture connection, it may have been that the random wire connecting near the other switch box was actually providing power.

I don't know.. this mess is confusing. I'm thinking of calling in a pro just considering all the variables.

Another FYI: none of the neutrals were connected anywhere but at the fan previously. I don't know what that's all about... seems to be a running theme in this old house.
__________________
Come by and visit our renovation 'blog': '59ish Brick Ranch: Updating... everything...
natedro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2012, 06:29 AM   #21
Resi EC
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Kansas
Posts: 479
Default

Recessed Light Issue


When you removed the ceiling fan, do you remember if there was a white wire tied to a black wire(in the ceiling box)?
Gac66610 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2012, 09:57 AM   #22
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 95
Default

Recessed Light Issue


Quote:
Originally Posted by Gac66610
When you removed the ceiling fan, do you remember if there was a white wire tied to a black wire(in the ceiling box)?
I don't remember unfortunately. When I unscrewed the ceiling cover, the old fan fell and the wire nuts and wires separated. There was no ceiling box... the wire was running straight to the fixture from the attic.

The ceiling fixtures in this house have all been hacked up. Slowly changing them all and installing light boxes. There are none except for the ones I've added currently.
__________________
Come by and visit our renovation 'blog': '59ish Brick Ranch: Updating... everything...

Last edited by natedro; 08-27-2012 at 10:00 AM.
natedro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2012, 10:28 AM   #23
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 95
Default

Recessed Light Issue


Quote:
Originally Posted by Gac66610 View Post
When you removed the ceiling fan, do you remember if there was a white wire tied to a black wire(in the ceiling box)?
Would you mind elaborating what that would change? I can't think of what else to try other than getting a multimeter and testing the current "power" in.
__________________
Come by and visit our renovation 'blog': '59ish Brick Ranch: Updating... everything...
natedro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2012, 11:10 AM   #24
Licensed electrician
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Maryland
Posts: 7,505
Default

Recessed Light Issue


A white spliced to a black would typically indicate a switch loop. The white in that case is not a neutral.
__________________
Answers based on the National Electrical Code. Local amendments may apply. Check with your local building officials.
Jim Port is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2012, 12:20 PM   #25
Resi EC
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Kansas
Posts: 479
Default

Recessed Light Issue


Thanks Jim,(I was at work)

Yes, Jim explained it well. If you are not sure about that, do you remember how many wires were at the fan, just black and white or were there several blacks and whites?

There are several ways to wire a three way circuit, all I'm trying to do is figure which way yours is. So I'm sorry for being vague right now, the more we can learn from what you have/had the easier it is to help.
Gac66610 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-22-2012, 02:51 PM   #26
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 95
Default

Recessed Light Issue


Quote:
Originally Posted by Gac66610
Thanks Jim,(I was at work)

Yes, Jim explained it well. If you are not sure about that, do you remember how many wires were at the fan, just black and white or were there several blacks and whites?

There are several ways to wire a three way circuit, all I'm trying to do is figure which way yours is. So I'm sorry for being vague right now, the more we can learn from what you have/had the easier it is to help.
Sorry for the delay but just getting back to this.

So, I bought a tester. Lo and behold, my "power" cable is only giving a volt or so... "phantom voltage" or whatever people call it. So, somewhere at the ceiling fan before, power was being provided to the switch from the fan. None of the 3 wires currently at the switch have power. I'm starting to think this was the most hacked fixture in the house.

The old cable that connected at the fan and no loner is a part of this recessed circuit was going to provide the power for the pendant lights, however somehow that also isn't getting any power according to my tester. There must be some weird wiring behind my walls in this room. Any advice??? Any ideas of how to remedy this? New branch? Lol...
__________________
Come by and visit our renovation 'blog': '59ish Brick Ranch: Updating... everything...
natedro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-23-2012, 04:34 PM   #27
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 95
Default

Recessed Light Issue


Quote:
Originally Posted by natedro

Sorry for the delay but just getting back to this.

So, I bought a tester. Lo and behold, my "power" cable is only giving a volt or so... "phantom voltage" or whatever people call it. So, somewhere at the ceiling fan before, power was being provided to the switch from the fan. None of the 3 wires currently at the switch have power. I'm starting to think this was the most hacked fixture in the house.

The old cable that connected at the fan and no loner is a part of this recessed circuit was going to provide the power for the pendant lights, however somehow that also isn't getting any power according to my tester. There must be some weird wiring behind my walls in this room. Any advice??? Any ideas of how to remedy this? New branch? Lol...
Solved. I have no idea how the old light worked, but all my recessed lights work now. I even got the pendants powered. Finally.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S2 using DIY Chatroom's App

__________________
Come by and visit our renovation 'blog': '59ish Brick Ranch: Updating... everything...
natedro is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Recessed Shower Light Ptron Electrical 3 10-05-2010 05:41 PM
Recessed light suggestions? vyjeff Electrical 1 04-27-2010 01:26 AM
Trouble Inserting Recessed Light Into Ceiling Cavity PotLightGirl Electrical 7 11-02-2009 01:15 PM
Recessed light junction box question chris_k Electrical 1 04-21-2009 08:12 AM
Replacing a chandelier with a recessed light. RyanD General DIY Discussions 4 04-09-2009 03:23 PM




Top of Page | View New Posts

Copyright © 2003-2014 Escalate Media. All Rights Reserved.