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#1 ·
My old range was hard wired directly into the electrical system and I am switching it to a plug. The house was built in 1984. The outlet has a black wire, a white wire, and a bare wire. I assume these are hot, neutral, and ground, like in a normal outlet. I bought a 3-prong receptacle but don't know how to wire it. My receptacle has 2 hot's, a neutral, and no ground (i think). Can someone help me with how to wire it?
 

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#34 ·
Of COURSE it was out of line. That was the POINT.

I had been nothing but civil and as always was stating my opinion.

Stubbie felt the need to take things to a personal level over and over again so I simply joined his game. I was wrong about his stature and was certain he was younger. I am not sure WHAT drives his personal attacks.

Off topic but, Stubbie....your birthday is not tomorrow is it?
 
#37 ·
I asked around for opinions on why SE is acceptable while NM is not but haven't recieved any replies.

Seriously....If anyone has a thought I still would really like to hear it.

I am assuming that no one here has any idea or they would have offered it up at some point between the drama. Pete is stuck on the bare conductor even though SE also has a bare conductor. Stubbs refuses to even think about it.

Anyone else???
 
#38 ·
I queried six people on this topic, two inspectors and four masters and got one answer. Five of the guys had no idea why the bare conductor in the SE is acceptable and the bare in the NM is not. One inspector, who has sat on NEC committee's, stated this: If the reason involves the bare conductor, and I'm not saying that is the reason, but if it is I would think it is because in an SE cable the bare conductor is insulated by the outer covering but in an NM cable the ground is wrapped with paper, a flammable substance. The paper is put on to protect the insulated conductors during the manufacturing process. It's the paper covering that might be the factor limiting the exception to SE only.
I'm just throwing it out there. Have at it!
 
#40 ·
220/221: While it may not satisfy your quest for theory, etc., I was always under the impression SE was acceptable for ranges and dryers (and only when fed from the main service panel) prior to 1996 because SE is listed for use with the bare conductor as a neutral when used as a service entrance conductor. So by extending that use for those two applications, with the restrictions imposed, it was an acceptable alternative to three individual insulated conductors.
The use of two conductor NM w/g has never been an acceptable wiring method for ranges and dryers as the bare conductor is not approved as a current carrying conductor. But others have already pointed this out to you.
 
#41 ·
prior to 1996 because SE is listed for use with the bare conductor as a neutral when used as a service entrance conductor. So by extending that use for those two applications, with the restrictions imposed, it was an acceptable alternative to three individual insulated conductors.
I think you are correct. It would have been easy for them to say no to a new product (6,8 NM) but difficult for them to go back and say that the SE that has been used for so many years is not acceptable.
 
#42 ·
see...if the range DOESN'T have a ground prong, it won't fit to a newer "4 prong" receptacle, it varies on the manufacturer.
If the range has 3 prongs, then:
HOT1 is the black wire, HOT2 is the white wire and NEUTRAL/GROUND is the bare wire because it (the receptacle) doesn't have separate ground and neutral prongs.

If the range has 4 prongs, then you need to run new, 8/3 wire and then:
HOT1 is the black, HOT2 is the red, NEUTRAL is the white, and GROUND is the bare or green.

It all depends on the range.....
 
#45 ·
It actually does NOT depend on the range. It depends on the receptacle in place and you install the cord to match.
Ranges do NOT come with cords attached. Someone must install one before placing the range.
 
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