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Old 04-18-2013, 06:08 PM   #31
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Lol. Who do you think designs gfci outlets?? What exactly do you think electrical engineers do? This I'd like to hear
That's my point. EE's design that stuff. I bet 99% of them need help installing one.

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What does being an EE have to do with it??? I'd bet most EE's don't even know the principle of how a GFI works.

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Heres your origional quote and it says nothing about installation. Once i read rediculously incorrect comments like this, I form a certian opinion about the person who posted it. Congrats.
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Heres your origional quote and it says nothing about installation. Once i read rediculously incorrect comments like this, I form a certian opinion about the person who posted it. Congrats.
Oh no. I worded something wrong and you caught me....and now you have an opinion of me?????
Like I freaking care. HAHAHA.
Go be cool with someone else, will you.
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The thing about electrical engineers, or engineers in general is they usually only are good at what they specifically do. If their job doesn't utilize GFI protection, then they probably don't know much about it. I'll bet ya Speedy isn't too far off of his 90% statement.
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The thing about electrical engineers, or engineers in general is they usually only are good at what they specifically do. If their job doesn't utilize GFI protection, then they probably don't know much about it. I'll bet ya Speedy isn't too far off of his 90% statement.
I'm the one who first mentioned electrical engineer, and the context was how electricity flows, not how GFCI operates. An EE who doesn't understand how electricity flows is like someone with a degree in English who can't read, or a degree in math who can't add. Let's get serious.
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The thing about electrical engineers, or engineers in general is they usually only are good at what they specifically do. If their job doesn't utilize GFI protection, then they probably don't know much about it. I'll bet ya Speedy isn't too far off of his 90% statement.
What a silly, overly broad and fact free generalization. Looks like someone has degree envy to me. Maybe income envy as well.
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What a silly, overly broad and fact free generalization. Looks like someone has degree envy to me. Maybe income envy as well.
No way... Trains are on tracks for a reason, its so Engineers can drive them.
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What a silly, overly broad and fact free generalization. Looks like someone has degree envy to me. Maybe income envy as well.
WOW! What an overly arrogant generalization.
Degree envy??? HAHAHA...sorry, a piece of paper does not mean the same thing to all people. I guess it is you that has degree pomposity.
And income envy??? Are you f-ing serious? Are you aware what most successful contractor pull down in a year?
Dude, you need to get a clue.


FACT is 90% of engineers are an extreme PAIN IN THE ASS. It is also a fact that most know a ton about their specific field of expertise, but THINK they know a ton about everything else, because you know, they are an engineer.

When IBM went out in an area near me a lot of guys who got laid off said "Well, I am an EE. I can always just be an electrician to make ends meet." NOTHING could have been further from the truth.
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When IBM went out in an area near me a lot of guys who got laid off said "Well, I am an EE. I can always just be an electrician to make ends meet." NOTHING could have been further from the truth.


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I’m new here, but Ill chime in because I’ve worked with EE engineers and electricians often. An Electrical Engineer is usually very specialized; he might design microchip circuits, signal processing systems, medical imaging equipment, computers, appliance, radio antennae, pretty much any electronic device, etc. etc. EE are responsible for the design of power distributiuon systems, generation stations/substations. EE design commercial/industrial building electrical systems. EE are hands off, they work on computers mostly.

Electricians are hands on. Electricians handle construction, repair of electrical power systems. Electricians are familiar with and know NEC very well. Electricians have less schooling than EE, but probably, for the most part make more $ than EE. Electricians die doing their job, EE do not. EE have taken math/physics courses that would make the very best electrician’s head explode.
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Electricians are familiar with and know NEC very well.
It's funny you mention that, because half of the licensed electricians I talk to don't know the NEC. Half of them don't know how GFCI works (i.e. that it's leak detection.) Half of them think GFCI requires a ground wire to do its job. This is not a scientifically representative sample - it's anecdotal - but I'm not exaggerating.
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There is a significant wealth of information and talented people on this forum....to go along with the attitudes and egos.

Not everyone can be an expert at everything like me....but some come close (like Dan H).

My FIL has a PHD in aerospace...but struggles to drive a nail in the wall. He can calculate the drag on a wing, but wouldn't know who to drag a box across the floor.

Everyone has specific talents...some are hands on trades...others are more in the design phase. Quite often a trade may not know how a GFIC actually works....and they guy who designed it may not know how to use the tools to install one.

We all just need to respect each others abilities and not take it personal when someone posts something contrary....lets try to debate it on technical terms and not make it personal.

Now....who is bringing the beer? It's Friday....taco/beer day.
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why ? its educational ..... not showing off ... it was posed in a class i took ... and really helped and brought good discussion ...
Because some idiot will actually try it. And do it with the receptacle he installed incorrectly.
Good thing you did not use your real name on this forum.


Educational for who? If your a master electrician you should be playing these games with others like you. Not the general public.

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Because some idiot will actually try it. And do it with the receptacle he installed incorrectly.
Good thing you did not use your real name on this forum.


Educational for who? If your a master electrician you should be playing these games with others like you. Not the general public.

JMO.
If the rule was 'never post anything in case an idiot tries it' then the internet would be an extremely empty place. And that is never a valid defense for voiding a discussion.

And nice threat for the real name bit. It was clearly educational for several people in this thread as evidenced by responses. This question originally came from another topic and someone in that topic suggested making a new thread, so he did. If this was actually so off topic and/or didnt belong here then a mod would have done something.
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If a person is dumb enough to try this test, they deserve to be removed from the gene pool, IMO. In essence, the original poster is providing a service to society by asking this question in an open forum and helping society out in the long run.

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