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Old 06-11-2011, 08:42 AM   #16
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Nothing was stated by the OP that this may be a Small Appliance Branch Circuit. I am assuming that it is not, because nothing was stated that this circuit is in the Kitchen or Dining areas. For all we know, it could be in the garage, basement, who knows where. Just to clue you in, it was stated that this circuit feeds a closet, which means that it is a lighting circuit, which can feed off of a receptacle circuit in the Living Room, Basement, bedrooms, Garage, who knows, only the person doing it knows what it feeds off of.
Who says it has to be a lighting circuit? There's no information to indicate anything about what this circuit is for. As you said, only the person doing it knows what it feeds.

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I think everyone picked up on the incorrect mixing of the wire sizes and may not have thought about the source of the circuit or its possible restrictions.
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There is that catch 22 about lighting, that the manufacturer uses smaller gauge wire on the fixture.
Not just lighting. Major appliances often have smaller wire inside the equipment, electric ranges, furnaces, water heaters.
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Not just lighting. Major appliances often have smaller wire inside the equipment, electric ranges, furnaces, water heaters.
True, and the equipment is listed that way since the loads are a known quantity. The insulation is also different in some cases which will affect the ampacity of the conductor.
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Jim " the loads are a known quantity"...those were the words I was looking for...perfect description of why it's allowed under those circumstances. Thanks
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Nothing was stated by the OP that this may be a Small Appliance Branch Circuit. I am assuming that it is not, because nothing was stated that this circuit is in the Kitchen or Dining areas. For all we know, it could be in the garage, basement, who knows where. Just to clue you in, it was stated that this circuit feeds a closet, which means that it is a lighting circuit, which can feed off of a receptacle circuit in the Living Room, Basement, bedrooms, Garage, who knows, only the person doing it knows what it feeds off of.
Actually, I'll clue you in. The OP stated "I installed an outlet in a closet on the opposite side of the wall of an existing outlet". That is why I said it may be a small appliance circuit. Please read my entire post next time. Oh, and the next time you assume remember how it is spelled. ass-u-me.

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Jim " the loads are a known quantity"...those were the words I was looking for...perfect description of why it's allowed under those circumstances. Thanks
You are welcome.
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When someone says “The outlet I ran it from has an 15 AMP outlet but the wire feeding it is 12 and is on a 20 AMP breaker” the first thing that comes to mind is kitchen SABC, laundry or bath receptacles, none of which are allowed to be ‘tapped’ to feed ‘an outlet in a closet’ (in general). Anyone else catch that?
See my post #6.
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Actually, I'll clue you in. The OP stated "I installed an outlet in a closet on the opposite side of the wall of an existing outlet". That is why I said it may be a small appliance circuit. Please read my entire post next time. Oh, and the next time you assume remember how it is spelled. ass-u-me.
Dude, last time you spammed this forum was back in 2009, and all of a sudden you come back playing god over those that have been here for some time. BTW, if your ego is that big, that you had to add the "Oh, and the next time you assume remember how it is spelled. ass-u-me", you really need to go find some other board to Troll on.
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Dude, last time you spammed this forum was back in 2009, and all of a sudden you come back playing god over those that have been here for some time. BTW, if your ego is that big, that you had to add the "Oh, and the next time you assume remember how it is spelled. ass-u-me", you really need to go find some other board to Troll on.
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Dude, last time you spammed this forum was back in 2009, and all of a sudden you come back playing god over those that have been here for some time. BTW, if your ego is that big, that you had to add the "Oh, and the next time you assume remember how it is spelled. ass-u-me", you really need to go find some other board to Troll on.
So since you've been on 2006 you are now qualified. According to your profile, Oops, sorry didn't see one. For all we know you could be another arm chair electrician wannabe.

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So since you've been on 2006 you are now qualified. According to your profile, Oops, sorry didn't see one. For all we know you could be another arm electrician wannabe.
Electure, again, this is a forum for all to share their knowledge. You came in with an attitude of wanting to be the moderator of this forum. If you have not noticed, the majority of parties asking questions or sharing their knowledge are diyers. For your info, I am qualified to answer in my opinion, due to previous military experience working in electrical & electronics, especially with ship to shore power, and distribution systems. If anyone answers incorrectly, the mod's and those who work daily in the industry are there to correct, or add on to the answer of anyone to clarify.

I am for one who does not appreciate your attitude, and chip on the shoulder personality, which personally does not help the original poster who asked their question.
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Electure, again, this is a forum for all to share their knowledge. You came in with an attitude of wanting to be the moderator of this forum. If you have not noticed, the majority of parties asking questions or sharing their knowledge are diyers. For your info, I am qualified to answer in my opinion, due to previous military experience working in electrical & electronics, especially with ship to shore power, and distribution systems. If anyone answers incorrectly, the mod's and those who work daily in the industry are there to correct, or add on to the answer of anyone to clarify.

I am for one who does not appreciate your attitude, and chip on the shoulder personality, which personally does not help the original poster who asked their question.
Sorry Greg. No chip. No attitude. Just willing to share some knowledge. Sorry if you feel intimidated. I guess when I have as many posts as you I will be as smart as you. Anyway, for the time being I'll concentrate on upping my post count. It is just hard when I spend more of my time actually doing electrical then talking about it. As for your military experience I have nothing but respect for our men and woman who choose to serve our country. And I thank you for serving. My experience with Navy electricians is that their theory is second to none, however, their knowledge of building and electrical codes is sometimes lacking. If you read my posts (and I know you have) you will notice I use words such as "shall" or "shall not", that is because I quote the code as written so as to express the importance of it. I am not interested in being a "mod" or anything else, I am only interested in sharing my knowledge. If you have a problem with that, move on. This is the end of this conversation
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Sorry Greg. No chip. No attitude. Just willing to share some knowledge. Sorry if you feel intimidated. I guess when I have as many posts as you I will be as smart as you. Anyway, for the time being I'll concentrate on upping my post count. It is just hard when I spend more of my time actually doing electrical then talking about it. As for your military experience I have nothing but respect for our men and woman who choose to serve our country. And I thank you for serving. My experience with Navy electricians is that their theory is second to none, however, their knowledge of building and electrical codes is sometimes lacking. If you read my posts (and I know you have) you will notice I use words such as "shall" or "shall not", that is because I quote the code as written so as to express the importance of it. I am not interested in being a "mod" or anything else, I am only interested in shasubmits that information. have a problem with that, move on. This is the end of this conversation
I agree with you. You are an licensed inspector just as I am. I am still working as a licensed contractor. When we say some that is in the code, that is to help the DIY's get there project done correctly the first time. All information provided by other posters is always appreciated, but if something is stated that is contrary to the code, than it is only right that someone submits that information. It is always up to the AHJ in any area to supply the appropriate information for that area.
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Electure, again, this is a forum for all to share their knowledge. You came in with an attitude of wanting to be the moderator of this forum. If you have not noticed, the majority of parties asking questions or sharing their knowledge are diyers. For your info, I am qualified to answer in my opinion, due to previous military experience working in electrical & electronics, especially with ship to shore power, and distribution systems. If anyone answers incorrectly, the mod's and those who work daily in the industry are there to correct, or add on to the answer of anyone to clarify.

I am for one who does not appreciate your attitude, and chip on the shoulder personality, which personally does not help the original poster who asked their question.
Sorry just caught this. I've been working daily in the industry for the last 35 years.

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