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Old 11-07-2013, 08:26 AM   #31
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You dismissed those posts because you didn't understand them, then you started belittling the advice.
I didn't understand them? Really? You think I can't understand "advice" like "your ground is bad"? Seriously?

I understand that when someone gets shocked, it means a live wire. I understand that when someone says their system is "compromised", it doesn't help the OP in the slightest.

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I'll agree there can be a civility gap at times, but it works both ways. Electricians get frustrated when the DIYers belittle the knowledge, skills and effort that it takes to be a professional tradesman and think they can do it just as well with a few weekends of experience.
Of course. You happen to have a great attitude for a professional, but that attitude is not too common.

Anyway, unless I missed something, I didn't see this DIYer belittle anyone's skills. Frankly, there are a lot of guys on this forum who shoot first and ask questions later. They just can't get enough of showing off and being part of "the club".
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Old 11-07-2013, 08:31 AM   #33
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Then stop visiting of you don't like what you see?
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Then stop visiting of you don't like what you see?
I think a better suggestion is for you to stop posting if you can't express your thoughts very well.

Was the above a statement? A question? In any case, it's a pretty obvious non sequitur.
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You seem to be the only one having any issues with my posts. In fact, I see some users thanking my posts, and none thanking yours. That seems to indicate that you are in the minority.

With that, I am done responding to you.
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You seem to be the only one having any issues with my posts. In fact, I see some users thanking my posts, and none thanking yours. That seems to indicate that you are in the minority.
No, I'm just the only one speaking up. You should know that this is a complaint about this forum that many, many people have.

Ask yourself one question: did you write things that actually helped the OP, or did you write things that got "thank you" clicks from the other members of the Good Ol' Boys Club?
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No, I'm just the only one speaking up. You should know that this is a complaint about this forum that many, many people have.

Ask yourself one question: did you write things that actually helped the OP, or did you write things that got "thank you" clicks from the other members of the Good Ol' Boys Club?
Quantify your assertions. Give us a number for "many, many people".
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Where do I find the complaint section of this forum? I want to see how many complaints I have against me.
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This tells us nothing. You are telling us about symptoms and nothing about what is causing them. The point is without more information and/or on site inspection there is little any of us can do

The fact that you resort to personal attacks when you are called out on your misstatements and misinformation must be problematic for you.
We do not have enough information to decide an outcome of what is actually causing the OP to see voltage as they are stating on the Ground. For all we know, as some of us have already stated, is that they are getting false readings, or misinterpreting their readings, by not knowing how to use the test equipment.

For all we know, they could have wired a ground somewhere as a part of a three-way switch traveler wire, and that could be giving them the voltage reading.
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Where do I find the complaint section of this forum? I want to see how many complaints I have against me.
Now you know why I always state that after 10-15 posts on these type of threads, you run into nothing but a big argument fest.
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You can't tell that means "the forum's" ? Seriously?

OK, look, you seem to be someone that wants to tell it like it is, right? Like, if someone is not competent with electricity, then they should be harshly told not to mess with it, and hire an electrician, right?

Well you're not very good with words, nor with communicating advice. So maybe you should go back to electrical work and leave the forums and communications to people who do it better. Answers like yours do a disservice to those coming here for advice.

And by the way, there is not much more frustrating than coming here for advice and being dismissed out of hand. If you can't find a way to get your point across civilly and convincingly (as so many "experts" on this forum can't - and I use the word loosely because some of these people communicate so poorly it's impossible to tell if they know what they're talking about), then maybe you shouldn't participate.
1) i do not believe I have EVER told anyone here to hire an electrician ...

i will stay with an OP as long as they will answer questions find more info and report back with findings


2) what does a dis-serivce is the NON qualified pretending to be qualified because they stayed at a Holiday inn last night ...


over the years and to this day i still ask questions and trade info daily ...that is what i like about being an electrician ..... usually info is freely given back and forth ...

people have taken the time with me over the years and i have no problem taking the time with them .....

its the know it all's that are an issue ... or one's that do not want to take the time to be edumacated by peeps that do know ....
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Quantify your assertions. Give us a number for "many, many people".
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I've been on this forum for years. This pops up enough on the various subfora. It's a known problem.
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1) i do not believe I have EVER told anyone here to hire an electrician ...
I didn't say you did. Re-read your post #40, and tell me exactly what you were trying to say with the link to the other thread, that was supposed to be a "clue".
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You can't tell that means "the forum's" ? Seriously?

OK, look, you seem to be someone that wants to tell it like it is, right? Like, if someone is not competent with electricity, then they should be harshly told not to mess with it, and hire an electrician, right?

Well you're not very good with words, nor with communicating advice. So maybe you should go back to electrical work and leave the forums and communications to people who do it better. Answers like yours do a disservice to those coming here for advice.

And by the way, there is not much more frustrating than coming here for advice and being dismissed out of hand. If you can't find a way to get your point across civilly and convincingly (as so many "experts" on this forum can't - and I use the word loosely because some of these people communicate so poorly it's impossible to tell if they know what they're talking about), then maybe you shouldn't participate.
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I didn't say you did. Re-read your post #40, and tell me exactly what you were trying to say with the link to the other thread, that was supposed to be a "clue".
Yes you did ....

now post #40 ...i never comment in that thread ...but since i have experience as an ADMIN on several Vbulletin Forums i do know how to look things up and put 2 and 2 together .....( paint my own picture ) and i realy was only commenting on the 1st post which is the same OP and I would say same building ..IMHO


the OP posted this ...need help w/ my dryer hookup


in it he said: "Im tryin to wire my dryer into my stove circuit, it has a 3 prong pigtail. The building is old and the power source only has 2 hot wires and a ground, no neutral"


so in the old days there was no nuetrals they just used the bare ground wire in the 240 set-ups ... many stoves and dryers DID USE 120 volt for the controls .. SOOOoooo the Ground wire would carry current ... and then at the panel the grounds and the neutrals are all hooked up together ....

based on that and experience with older buildings ....blah blah blah ...

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