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07-21-2011, 06:37 PM   #1
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## Pulling new wire (repl. 12g w/ 10g)

I'm clueless as to how this would be accomplished so please bear with me.

Our kitchen currently has a cooktop and a separate wall oven. Both are original to the house (about 30 years old), so I would imagine they're both on borrowed time.

Both are supplied by separate 30A circuits and I "believe" 12ga wire. When we were first looking at the house, a electrician friend of a friend came by and mentioned that if we wanted to put in a range (regular cooktop/oven combo) we'd have to run a 40A circuit with 10ga wire.

The wire runs the length of 2 bedrooms and half a living room. It originates in the garage downstairs and ends up in the kitchen upstairs (so I guess runs through the 2nd floor floor joists).

How would an electrician go about pulling larger diameter wire? Sorry, long explanation for simple question.

Thanks!

07-21-2011, 06:42 PM   #2

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 Originally Posted by burnt03 Both are supplied by separate 30A circuits and I "believe" 12ga wire.
If it is a 30A circuit it is more than likely #10cu wire.

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 Originally Posted by burnt03 When we were first looking at the house, a electrician friend of a friend came by and mentioned that if we wanted to put in a range (regular cooktop/oven combo) we'd have to run a 40A circuit with 10ga wire.
Well, if he suggested #10 on a 40A breaker for a kitchen appliance he is not much of an electrician. A 40A circuit would need a minimum of #8cu.

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 Originally Posted by burnt03 The wire runs the length of 2 bedrooms and half a living room. It originates in the garage downstairs and ends up in the kitchen upstairs (so I guess runs through the 2nd floor floor joists). How would an electrician go about pulling larger diameter wire?
Depends on the construction of the house. It is impossible to tell from where I am sitting.
There is pretty much always a way though.

07-21-2011, 06:55 PM   #3
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 Originally Posted by Speedy Petey If it is a 30A circuit it is more than likely #10cu wire. Well, if he suggested #10 on a 40A breaker for a kitchen appliance he is not much of an electrician. A 40A circuit would need a minimum of #8cu. Depends on the construction of the house. It is impossible to tell from where I am sitting. There is pretty much always a way though.
With the #10/30 and #8/40, that was likely my mistake in memory. I knew we were one size too small, but couldn't remember what was needed.

I realize you can't be sure without actually seeing the home, just wondering if it's somehow feasible to pull new wire (doubt it) or if ceilings have to be pulled down in some spots

 07-21-2011, 07:16 PM #4 Electrician     Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Near Jackson Michigan Area Posts: 1,452 Rewards Points: 504 It’s always feasible. It’s a matter of doing it the most cost effective way, with the least amount of damage/repair. Sometimes repair is inevitable. __________________ Kyle Just because you can, doesn't always mean you should
 07-21-2011, 09:00 PM #5 I=E/R     Join Date: May 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,052 Rewards Points: 1,000 Take the easy way If you think they need to be replaced, buy an new cook top and a new oven! You won't have to remodel the kitchen either
07-22-2011, 07:49 AM   #6
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 Originally Posted by a7ecorsair Take the easy way If you think they need to be replaced, buy an new cook top and a new oven! You won't have to remodel the kitchen either
That was my first thought too, but the existing oven is only 24" wide (from what I've seen, the smallest you can buy w/o custom order is 27"). And the way the cabinets are built, I can't go any wider.

But like you say, if that's the only option (either replace w/ another small one or gut the cabinets to put a slightly bigger one in), then I don't really have a choice.

Thanks!

 07-22-2011, 07:58 AM #7 I=E/R     Join Date: May 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,052 Rewards Points: 1,000 There are 24" ovens on market http://www.maytag.com/webapp/wcs/sto...y_where-to-buy
 07-22-2011, 08:06 AM #8 Member   Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 44 Rewards Points: 25 Keep in mind that the new wire doesn't need to follow the same route as the old one. If you can get the wire from the garage to the attic, then down to the kitchen (or some other route), you may pay more for the longer wire but have less to repair.
 07-23-2011, 04:43 AM #9 Member   Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Eighty Four, Pa.15330 Posts: 1,597 Rewards Points: 1,192 You need a new electrician friend that knows #10 is only good for up to a 30 amp circuit.*** Maybe Code in canada is different. Last edited by bobelectric; 07-23-2011 at 04:47 AM.
07-23-2011, 08:03 AM   #10
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Corsair,

Thanks for the link, they don't seem to be as common here.

bobelectric, like I mentioned, wasn't my buddies fault, I just quoted his info wrong.

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