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11-06-2009, 01:31 PM
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Pulling 120V outlet from a 240V circuit?
I'm hoping for some advice. I recently installed a built in oven with a gas drop in range on top of it. The oven is 240v requiring a 30 amp circuit (hard wired in a junction box) and the range is 120v needing a 15 amp circuit (it has a grounded plug). I'm planning on running a new circuit for the oven using 10-3 NM with a 30 amp double breaker and install an old work box in the wall to wire it. Now my question, Can I just run a some 10-2 nm from 1 hot wire, the neutral and ground from the 240 line up to a second old work box for the outlet or do I need to run a new circuit for the 120v outlet? All this work will be done in an adjacent cabinet
And a follow up, will there be any issue using a 15 or 20 amp duplex plug (for the range) on the circuit? Should I install a 120v 30amp outlet and use an adapter to go from the 30amp outlet to the 15amp plug
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11-06-2009, 01:35 PM
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Pulling 120V outlet from a 240V circuit?
You can't piggyback a 120v circuit off of a 240v circuit
You need to run a seperate 120v circuit
And you can't put a 15a or a 20a outlet on a 30a circuit
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11-06-2009, 03:37 PM
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Pulling 120V outlet from a 240V circuit?
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Originally Posted by Scuba_Dave
You can't piggyback a 120v circuit off of a 240v circuit
You need to run a seperate 120v circuit
And you can't put a 15a or a 20a outlet on a 30a circuit
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Additionally. There is no 30A. Single pole breaker to be had. (For the same reason) (No matter what)    Don't Drink and Drive, Ever!!!
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11-06-2009, 04:59 PM
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Pulling 120V outlet from a 240V circuit?
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Originally Posted by spark plug
Additionally. There is no 30A. Single pole breaker to be had. (For the same reason) (No matter what)    Don't Drink and Drive, Ever!!!
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You are just not looking in the right place.
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11-06-2009, 05:18 PM
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Pulling 120V outlet from a 240V circuit?
You could set a four circuit panel under the cabinet and feed the oven with a 30 A double pole, and the 120 V recept from a 20 A single. But if you are already running the 10-3, might as well run a 14-2 and be done with it.
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11-06-2009, 06:38 PM
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Pulling 120V outlet from a 240V circuit?
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Can I just run a some 10-2 nm from 1 hot wire, the neutral and ground from the 240 line up to a second old work box for the outlet
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or do I need to run a new circuit for the 120v outlet?
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You don't need a new circuit. You can tap off the countertop receptacle circuit if it is easier. It may be easier just to run a 12/2 20 amp circuit for the cooktop recep. You have to make that decision.
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You could set a four circuit panel under the cabinet ....
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Uhhh....it would have to be a big assed cabinet to get the required clearances
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11-07-2009, 07:03 PM
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Pulling 120V outlet from a 240V circuit?
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Thank you for providing the link. So far, I haven't come across the need for that breaker. They (30A. breakers) are mostly used in Shop compressors and Medium sized A/C units. And those run on 208/240V. Thankx again! (No matter what)    Don't Drink and Drive, Ever!!!
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11-08-2009, 07:55 AM
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Pulling 120V outlet from a 240V circuit?
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Originally Posted by spark plug
Thank you for providing the link. So far, I haven't come across the need for that breaker. They (30A. breakers) are mostly used in Shop compressors and Medium sized A/C units. ....
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A legitimate use for a single pole 30 Amp breaker is an RV outlet. Many campers have the NEMA TT-30 plug attached for such a circuit.
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11-08-2009, 11:59 AM
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Pulling 120V outlet from a 240V circuit?
KB Sparky (Poster #10) Thank you for ENLIGHTening me. BTW I DO eat Dessert First (sometimes)! Eliminate confusion   Through Education; Don't Drink  and Drive, Ever!!!
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11-08-2009, 12:04 PM
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Pulling 120V outlet from a 240V circuit?
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You are just not looking in the right place. 
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You are (probably) right! BTW. I didn't say it doesn't exist. Just that I haven't had a need or request for it!  ! No matter what)   Don't Drink and Drive, Ever!!!
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11-08-2009, 12:29 PM
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Pulling 120V outlet from a 240V circuit?
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Originally Posted by spark plug
Additionally. There is no 30A. Single pole breaker to be had. (For the same reason) (No matter what)    Don't Drink and Drive, Ever!!!
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You are (probably) right! BTW. I didn't say it doesn't exist. Just that I haven't had a need or request for it!
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