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npage148 11-06-2009 01:31 PM

Pulling 120V outlet from a 240V circuit?
 
I'm hoping for some advice. I recently installed a built in oven with a gas drop in range on top of it. The oven is 240v requiring a 30 amp circuit (hard wired in a junction box) and the range is 120v needing a 15 amp circuit (it has a grounded plug). I'm planning on running a new circuit for the oven using 10-3 NM with a 30 amp double breaker and install an old work box in the wall to wire it. Now my question, Can I just run a some 10-2 nm from 1 hot wire, the neutral and ground from the 240 line up to a second old work box for the outlet or do I need to run a new circuit for the 120v outlet? All this work will be done in an adjacent cabinet


And a follow up, will there be any issue using a 15 or 20 amp duplex plug (for the range) on the circuit? Should I install a 120v 30amp outlet and use an adapter to go from the 30amp outlet to the 15amp plug

Scuba_Dave 11-06-2009 01:35 PM

You can't piggyback a 120v circuit off of a 240v circuit
You need to run a seperate 120v circuit
And you can't put a 15a or a 20a outlet on a 30a circuit

spark plug 11-06-2009 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Scuba_Dave (Post 349821)
You can't piggyback a 120v circuit off of a 240v circuit
You need to run a seperate 120v circuit
And you can't put a 15a or a 20a outlet on a 30a circuit

Additionally. There is no 30A. Single pole breaker to be had. (For the same reason) (No matter what):yes::no::drink:Don't Drink and Drive, Ever!!!

LanterDan 11-06-2009 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by spark plug (Post 349851)
Additionally. There is no 30A. Single pole breaker to be had.

???? http://www.relectric.com/Store/Circu...QH130?kty=6361

300zx 11-06-2009 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LanterDan (Post 349870)

yes i have also seen a few different brands also :yes: Cuttler Hammer http://electrical.hardwarestore.com/...r--658734.aspx every brand i think makes them http://www.google.com/products?hl=en...ed=0CBsQrQQwAw

jbfan 11-06-2009 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by spark plug (Post 349851)
Additionally. There is no 30A. Single pole breaker to be had. (For the same reason) (No matter what):yes::no::drink:Don't Drink and Drive, Ever!!!

You are just not looking in the right place.:laughing:

InPhase277 11-06-2009 05:18 PM

You could set a four circuit panel under the cabinet and feed the oven with a 30 A double pole, and the 120 V recept from a 20 A single. But if you are already running the 10-3, might as well run a 14-2 and be done with it.

220/221 11-06-2009 06:38 PM

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Can I just run a some 10-2 nm from 1 hot wire, the neutral and ground from the 240 line up to a second old work box for the outlet

No

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or do I need to run a new circuit for the 120v outlet?
You don't need a new circuit. You can tap off the countertop receptacle circuit if it is easier. It may be easier just to run a 12/2 20 amp circuit for the cooktop recep. You have to make that decision.

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You could set a four circuit panel under the cabinet ....
Uhhh....it would have to be a big assed cabinet to get the required clearances

spark plug 11-07-2009 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LanterDan (Post 349870)

Thank you for providing the link. So far, I haven't come across the need for that breaker. They (30A. breakers) are mostly used in Shop compressors and Medium sized A/C units. And those run on 208/240V. Thankx again! (No matter what):yes::no::drink:Don't Drink and Drive, Ever!!!

kbsparky 11-08-2009 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by spark plug (Post 350307)
Thank you for providing the link. So far, I haven't come across the need for that breaker. They (30A. breakers) are mostly used in Shop compressors and Medium sized A/C units. ....

A legitimate use for a single pole 30 Amp breaker is an RV outlet. Many campers have the NEMA TT-30 plug attached for such a circuit.

http://www.onestopbuy.com/productima...n/lev-7313.jpg

spark plug 11-08-2009 11:59 AM

KB Sparky (Poster #10) Thank you for ENLIGHTening me. BTW I DO eat Dessert First (sometimes)! Eliminate confusion:yes::no: Through Education; Don't Drink:drink: and Drive, Ever!!!

spark plug 11-08-2009 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jbfan (Post 349888)
You are just not looking in the right place.:laughing:

You are (probably) right! BTW. I didn't say it doesn't exist. Just that I haven't had a need or request for it!:whistling2:! No matter what) :no::no: Don't Drink and Drive, Ever!!!

300zx 11-08-2009 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by spark plug (Post 349851)
Additionally. There is no 30A. Single pole breaker to be had. (For the same reason) (No matter what):yes::no::drink:Don't Drink and Drive, Ever!!!

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You are (probably) right! BTW. I didn't say it doesn't exist. Just that I haven't had a need or request for it!


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