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Old 02-03-2013, 04:27 PM   #16
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I would return the TED and spend that money on an HVAC tech.

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I would return the TED and spend that money on an HVAC tech.
He should not have to pay, since the tech that installed screwed up the install to begin with.
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He should not have to pay, since the tech that installed screwed up the install to begin with.
That's not a given. He's only experienced the problem for 2 months. The heat pump was installed in 2010. Parts do break.
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I have two 60amp breakers that have the a pin connecting them so if one flips
the other flips with it. It is not labeled but when I flip it [them], the HVAC shuts
down. I have no way to isolate the heat strips from the heat pump.
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That's not a given. He's only experienced the problem for 2 months. The heat pump was installed in 2010. Parts do break.
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He should not have to pay, since the tech that installed screwed up the install to begin with.
The factory warranty on parts is 10 years, labor was either 2 or 3
but I have an extended service contract covering both parts and labor
for 10 years.
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That's not a given. He's only experienced the problem for 2 months. The heat pump was installed in 2010. Parts do break.
Does not matter how long it occurred, the tech working as a representative should have made sure everything was in working order before leaving the job site, and the company if they are reputable, should stand behind their work, regardless when a problem occurs.

When we had our unit installed, we found a problem right away, and they came back and fixed it at their cost, not ours, due to they did not do the work in a proper workmanship to their quality they reassured us as they would do.
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I have two 60amp breakers that have the a pin connecting them so if one flips the other flips with it.
That's a 2Pole breaker. Your kitchen stove and dryer have the same.

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I have no way to isolate the heat strips from the heat pump.
Yeah you do.

There HAS TO BE a way to isolate them for service.
Immediately next to the air handler will be a disconnect of some sort.
Look for something like this:
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Does not matter how long it occurred, the tech working as a representative should have made sure everything was in working order before leaving the job site, and the company if they are reputable, should stand behind their work, regardless when a problem occurs.

When we had our unit installed, we found a problem right away, and they came back and fixed it at their cost, not ours, due to they did not do the work in a proper workmanship to their quality they reassured us as they would do.
The point is, you're saying a problem that surfaced two years after the installation was because the installer was incompetent. Don't see how you can automatically make that connection. Parts break.
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It does not matter when it occurred, the company should stand behind their work, if the OP has a warranty with them.
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Tarheel, actually it would be a set of breakers on the side of the furnace if newer, not the pull out, which would be found outside.
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The OP mentioned a town home type dwelling. I would look for any way someone else has tapped into his meter or panel.

If the problem is the heat strips, the installer should honor the warranty assuming there is no fine print on the extended warranty he purchased. I might even consider consulting a lawyer to see about reimbursement of the higher electric bills due to a faulty product.
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Tarheel, actually it would be a set of breakers on the side of the furnace if newer, not the pull out, which would be found outside.
Maybe....I've installed both.
The decision for which was usually based on the supply house price that week.

Either way... it will be in a box like very much like what I came up with
and installed very close to the air handler as described.
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I looked at the air handler and under a plastic panel is a 30 amp breaker and a 60 amp breaker.
If the 60 amp breaker is flipped off, the HVAC will not come on. If the 60 amp is on and the 30 amp
is off, the system will come on.

There are no other breakers neat the air handler, just one outside by the heat pump. So I have the
two pole breaker in my main breaker panel that when off, the HVAC is disabled. I have two embedded
in the air handler that is one is off, the system is disabled.

I don't know if the strips are connected to that 30 amp or the 60 amp or both.
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Here is a picture of the Trane air handler.



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I overlooked one thing with my crude test...so it was not only crude but
inaccurate as well. The water heater was not shut off at the breaker so
after shutting it off and unplugging the two refrigerators I checked the meter
again with the HVAC on and off. The meter disc stops trying to win that race
when ever the HVAC is off. This only confirms the strip heat wasn't staying
on after a shut down, it doesn't tell me if the heat strips are working properly.

The original contractor said the heat strips only come on as needed based
on outside temps. He said the heat pump had a sensor for the outside air
temp and would turn the strip heat on/off. I have no way to know if that
sensor is just defaulting to on but if the bill is any indication...

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