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scottl31 07-08-2013 04:04 PM

Proper receptacle for circuit?
 
Not sure I searched correctly, but I could not find my answer. I have two questions.

My house has all 20 amp circuits on 12/2 (or12/3 in some places) wire, except of course the dryer and AC circuits.

I was removing some wall plates to do some touch up paint and I noticed that the receptacles say 15A on them. Is this OK, or should I be changing them all out to 20A ones, even though the heaviest draw anywhere is a 6.5A spare fridge in a utility room?

Also, I looked further and found that the in/out wires are both connected to the receptacle with the tab intact so the current is flowing in and out of the box. I thought the wire is supposed to be pig tailed. Should I take all these apart and pig tail them?

Thanks so much for any help,
Scott

Speedy Petey 07-08-2013 04:12 PM

What you have is FINE. You do NOT need 20A receptacles, unless of course you literally need them for something.

What you have are 15A duplex receptacles. They are two 15A receptacles on one yoke. They DO have a 20A feed-thru rating.
And no, pigtailing is not required.

TarheelTerp 07-08-2013 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by scottl31 (Post 1213350)
and I noticed that the receptacles say 15A on them.

"they all do that, sir"

scottl31 07-08-2013 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey (Post 1213355)
What you have is FINE. You do NOT need 20A receptacles, unless of course you literally need them for something.

What you have are 15A duplex receptacles. They are two 15A receptacles on one yoke. They DO have a 20A feed-thru rating.
And no, pigtailing is not required.

That's great to hear. Thanks!

Just for future reference, for double boxes (2-gang), is it permissible to wire the duplex receptacles from one to the other, or should that configuration be pigtailed?

Thanks again,
Scott

Jim Port 07-08-2013 05:34 PM

Either is acceptable.

scottl31 07-08-2013 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Port (Post 1213396)
Either is acceptable.

Great. just wanted to make sure it's OK, since it is a bit easier (especially with 10/2). I had once heard an electrician say that was the "homeowner" way to do it, indicating to me that it might be a no-no.

Thanks!
Scott

rjniles 07-08-2013 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by scottl31 (Post 1213402)
Great. just wanted to make sure it's OK, since it is a bit easier (especially with 10/2). I had once heard an electrician say that was the "homeowner" way to do it, indicating to me that it might be a no-no.

Thanks!
Scott

Why would you be using 10-2?

scottl31 07-08-2013 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rjniles (Post 1213404)
Why would you be using 10-2?

My garage has no outlets but the main panel is in there with an empty 30 amp breaker. I was thinking of using that to add outlets to the garage.

Oso954 07-08-2013 06:17 PM

That's a NO-NO.
Change the breaker to 20amps and use 12-2.

Remember that your receptacles in a garage must be GFCI protected.
You can do it either with a GFCI breaker, or GFCI receptacles.

scottl31 07-08-2013 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Oso954 (Post 1213412)
That's a NO-NO.
Change the breaker to 20amps and use 12-2.

Remember that your receptacles in a garage must be GFCI protected.
You can do it either with a GFCI breaker, or GFCI receptacles.

Wow, really? I thought the more amps the better, especially when using power tools and such.

usair 07-08-2013 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by scottl31 (Post 1213416)
Wow, really? I thought the more amps the better, especially when using power tools and such.

Run two 20 amp circuits.

Jim Port 07-08-2013 08:23 PM

The electrical code prohibits general purpose receptacles being on circuit greater than 20 amps.

scottl31 07-08-2013 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Port (Post 1213465)
The electrical code prohibits general purpose receptacles being on circuit greater than 20 amps.

Is it a safety thing, like risk of fire?

The reason I have the open 30A breaker (actually 2) is because the guy who first owned my house in the '50s had half the garage converted into a beauty parlor for his wife. Had a separate door in from the driveway and everything.

He had both circuits running 10/3 (with no ground) to four outlets (tabs removed, black on top and red on bottom) along one wall to facilitate the power needed for the huge hair drying chairs of the day.

Anyway, I didn't see the need for all that power and wanted grounded outlets, so I just put that wall on an open 20A breaker. So with the garage on the other side of that wall, I thought it would be perfect to send one of those open 30A circuits to the garage side.

So is the only use for 30A to be for an electric dryer? Can 30A go to the heater/HVAC blower etc., or does that need to be 20A also?

Speedy Petey 07-08-2013 11:17 PM

I hear that all the time. "I have an open breaker so I wanted to use it."
Having an "open" breaker is no reason to use it outside of it's intended use/range/circuit.

Breakers are CHEAP, so there is no reason for not using the proper one.

frenchelectrican 07-08-2013 11:31 PM

A common modern single pole breaker useally cost less than 10 Euros so that is CHEAP !!

The only time it will cost more if you have GFCI or AFCI breaker it will be alot more depending on what brandname is but genrally I know they bounce around 30 to 60 Euros for single pole but double pole verison a easy 60 to 100 Euros.

Merci,
Marc


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