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FieldersChoice 01-01-2009 10:32 PM

Problems with GFCI Outlet
 
Please read this carefully because I can not find any answers for this on the internet.

I replaced a GFCI outlet because I changed the wall color and we wanted it to match. I made sure I had the line connected correctly and the load wires. All of the receptacles downstream from the GFCI are working and are receiving power but the GFCI outlet itself will not work.

Further explanation: hairdryers will work in all of the downstream outlets, but they will not work in the GFCI.

Please help me if you know the solution...:huh::mad::huh::mad:

jamiedolan 01-01-2009 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FieldersChoice (Post 205541)
Please read this carefully because I can not find any answers for this on the internet.

I replaced a GFCI outlet because I changed the wall color and we wanted it to match. I made sure I had the line connected correctly and the load wires. All of the receptacles downstream from the GFCI are working and are receiving power but the GFCI outlet itself will not work.

Further explanation: hairdryers will work in all of the downstream outlets, but they will not work in the GFCI.

Please help me if you know the solution...:huh::mad::huh::mad:


Do you have photos of how the GFCI is wired ?

Is it wired exactly the same way as the old one was?

Are you positive you did not get confused and place one of the wires on the wrong terminal?

Have you tried a different GFCI outlet to see if this one is defective?

Jamie

FieldersChoice 01-02-2009 12:08 AM

ummm
 
What do you mean by the word terminal?

If it was not wired correctly, the power would not flow through to the receptacles downstream....correct???

jamiedolan 01-02-2009 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FieldersChoice (Post 205571)
What do you mean by the word terminal?

If it was not wired correctly, the power would not flow through to the receptacles downstream....correct???

Terminal - The thing that you screw the wire to on the back of the GFCI outlet. i.e. where the wire gets connected.

I can come up with a lot of wrong ways to wire up a GFCI that will allow other outlets to be powered but not have them protected.

Assuming that because something works it is correct is a very, very bad thing.

Did you remove any wire nuts from any of the wires in the box, where there any?

Jamie

FieldersChoice 01-02-2009 12:31 AM

umm again
 
I am very sorry but what is a wire nut. I really appreciate your help, but I do not understand some of the terminology.

I am pretty sure I have them connected to the correct terminals.

What is a wire nut, and what could be wrong?

thanks

FieldersChoice 01-02-2009 12:58 AM

nevermind
 
I know what a wire nut is. I looked it up. I didn't alter any of these. They are the same as they were when I started.

AllanJ 01-02-2009 05:21 AM

When you press the test button, do the outlets downstream get cut off?

To review the bidding:

Did you forget to press the reset button?

Incoming power (and neutral) to the Line terminals.

Receptacles downstream needing GFCI protection to the Load terminals (hot and neutral). This neutral is not tied to other neutrals in the box.

Receptacles downstream not needing GFCI protection to the Line terminals. Use pigtails as needed.

If downstream from the Load terminals has power but the GFCI receptacles themselves don't, you probably have a bad GFCI unit.

Some GFCI units have built in pigtails instead of screw terminals. Here, "terminal" refers to those also.

FieldersChoice 01-02-2009 06:24 AM

Gfci
 
I reset the GFCI. When I test it, it does shut the other ones off.

InPhase277 01-02-2009 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by FieldersChoice (Post 205618)
I reset the GFCI. When I test it, it does shut the other ones off.

The wires from each cable must stay together. That is, the black and white from one cable goes on the bottom, and the black and white from the other cable goes on top. I have seen it many times where the groups were mixed up and the GFCI didn't work. If the black from one cable and the white from the other go on top or bottom, the GFCI won't work.

jamiedolan 01-02-2009 12:24 PM

5 Attachment(s)
The wires that are hot coming into the box that supply power to the outlet get connected like this to the side that says line;

Attachment 6926

Then the wires that go to the other outlets go on the side where the sticker was,the side labeled load.

Attachment 6927

The copper ground wires that are shown loose in this photo get tied together and attached to the green screw that you can see on this outlet (The GFCI). Also a connection to the box is necessary of the box is metal.

Attachment 6928

Assorted wire nuts (The tan ones are my favorite):

Attachment 6929

I just had to show off a few of my new tools since I was taking photos:

Attachment 6930


I hope these photos help clear up some things for you.

Jamie

220/221 01-02-2009 12:50 PM

Quote:

Please help me if you know the solution
If all wiring is correct, the most obvious solution is to replace the recep. I have not seen this happen but I do know that sometimes, new items are defective.

FieldersChoice 01-04-2009 01:53 PM

WOW! Statistics lied!!
 
Hey guys. It turns out that the GFCI was bad. I took it back and that was the case. I hooked it up exactly as I had the other one and it now works fine. Thanks for all of the help.


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