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Old 07-18-2012, 11:46 PM   #16
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Most stories I have seen on electric vehicles say 15a recepticule.

So I would go for a circuit that would carry a minimum of 20a.
Weather 240 or 120 ?
You should run four wires, 2x hots , I X Neutral and one earth.
This way you go either way.
1o gauge would be fine.

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Old 07-19-2012, 11:31 AM   #17
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John, you obviously don't get how I feel. I certainly do not fear change, and the "do nothing crowd"? Seriously?
While I hate hybrids (for other reasons) I acknowledge their existence and tenacity. It's the all electric car that is doomed and will have no place in the real world.


Sorry, but this is blatantly absurd!
Just as easy?? You CANNOT be serious. If your fuel gauge shows low you simply pull into the nearest gas station and fill up. Until you get your charging station on every corner this is NOT going to happen with an all electric. And even then, do you have ANY clue what charging times are on these things??? How about 10-11 hours. Even a quick charge is several hours just to get you back home.


I fully agree we should have started long ago, but with hydrogen and other fuel sources, AND to get to the clean diesel engines we have today. Europe had embraced diesel LONG ago. We here in "we know better than the rest of the world" America thumbed our noses at this. Mainly because our gas was SO cheap compared to the rest of the world. Now today we are paying the price for this arrogance and scrambling to keep up with technology.

Top gear did a test on a VW Lupo diesel against a petrol version. Doing the same 100+ mile loop of highway road the petrol got around 45 mpg (and this is NOT a hybrid). The diesel got 75 MPG. Let's see your Prius get that on a regular basis.
I am for any way to reduce cost and to lessen the carbon footprint. If it is a diesel that gets 50 miles to the gallon or the electric car that uses no gasoline to the hybrids that take advantage of both technologies, that is where we should be going.
My point is. We are where we are, because of attitudes like yours.
Sooner or later we have to do something or stop using cars. You can find all the information you want on why not to do something, when we should be finding reasons why to do something.
Something has to change.
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Why do supporters of electric cars always negate the production/disposal/replacement of the batteries when they talk about the carbon footprint?
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My point is. We are where we are, because of attitudes like yours.
And I am telling you you are wrong. You obviously don't get what I'm saying.
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A search for vehicle charging units turns up various units requiring 20 amps to 40 amps at 240 volts. It seems it depends how fast you want the car to charge up.
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And I am telling you you are wrong. You obviously don't get what I'm saying.
No. You are wrong.
You don't get what I am saying.
You have been watching to much Fox news Pete.
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I live in California, and I'm currently working on prevailing wage - thanks to Obama, and the "Stimulus Package" installing the EV charging stations, like hot cakes.
The latest generation of EV2 is 208/240 40amp 1-phase. They are termed "continuous use", and there is a "demand factor" which has surfaced out of the state of Oregon, which allows a sliding scale of "demand" when more than 8 units are installed.
The "carbon footprint" isn't quite as glossy, once all of the manufacturing, and disposal issues are taken into account...but, any beginning has to start somewhere...
The earth, in its cycle, has gone through more catastrophic periods than this...and I feel it is sheer propaganda, that all that is happening is blamed on the "individual"...and mostly the "American Individual". I feel the entire world is simply envious of this culture -- yet they forget, that we are the most innovative, and hard working nation in the world...and that we feed most of it, to boot... (And I'm not an even American).
Personally I've always driven a V8 myself - and always will! ...and whilst you are out saving the world, you will be breathing in my rubber, as I lay on the beach, drinking my brew -- waiting fir you.
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Here is an interesting article on the carbon break even mileage, based on local electric generation.
http://voltaicsystems.com/blog/carbo...here-you-live/
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You have been watching to much Fox news Pete.
It always amazes me how liberals know everything that's on Fox news. They hate it but they obviously watch it.
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No. You are wrong.
You don't get what I am saying.
You have been watching to much Fox news Pete.
OK fine. We don't get what each other is saying, and I and my caveman people are the root of all automotive evil. Whatever.

For a really smart electrician I am surprised at how clueless you can be about some things.
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It always amazes me how liberals know everything that's on Fox news. They hate it but they obviously watch it.
This is WAY Off topic and rather uncalled for.

I will say, keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
I am definitely NO Liberal, but Fox News IS the enemy. Thing is I cannot even stomach watching it.
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This is WAY Off topic and rather uncalled for.

I will say, keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
I am definitely NO Liberal, but Fox News IS the enemy. Thing is I cannot even stomach watching it.
You're right. I apologize.
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I did not mean to ruffle any feathers. So I am sorry too.
I also drive a V8 koontoose. V8, 5.7 liter, Hemi, Ram pick up. So, maybe I will have to wait for you.
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A search for vehicle charging units turns up various units requiring 20 amps to 40 amps at 240 volts. It seems it depends how fast you want the car to charge up.

So the rate at which a vehicle's battery array is recharged is mostly dependent on the amount of current provided at the charger?

Hypothetically, what amount of charger current would it take to recharge a vehicle in say 5 minutes when it "normally" takes ~4 hours at ~40 amps 240V? Or is 'charging-as-fast-as-filling' just impossible because of physical/chemical limitations in today's battery?
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I also drive a V8 koontoose. V8, 5.7 liter, Hemi, Ram pick up. So, maybe I will have to wait for you.
I don't think I'll be giving up my V8 Ford any time soon either.
Although I would LOVE to get a Fiat 500 Abarth!

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