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Old 12-03-2007, 10:29 PM   #46
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This entire thread is ridiculous and needs to die immediately.

Put a capacitor is parallel with the incoming utility feed and your meter slows to approximately nothing (because residential load is mostly, I DIDN'T SAY ENTIRELY, resistive). It's highly illegal to do so. I imagine that these "energy saving devices" do something similar.

There is no such thing as a frictionless machine either (but perhaps you have a widget that does that too, its benefits can be posted in alt.mechanical.engineering.moron.conversations.for .morons.com.com.com).

This product is either 1.) crap, or, 2.) crap.

Straight up.

I will not post anything additional, as any further discussion is a waste.

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you must be a vendor of this trash. No other reason for so much mindless banter. Try alt.engineering.electrical. They'll be receptive!

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Old 12-04-2007, 07:05 AM   #47
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Some interesting links.

http://www.themeterguy.com/Theory/wa...eter%20Diagram
Note the last formula at the bottom of the page.

http://www.dansdata.com/danletters171.htm
Scroll down the page to "And you won't even get a thank-you from the power company."

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16598530
Note that "Anonuser" mysteriously disappears on page 6.

http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showthread.php?t=51679

http://www.dansdata.com/gz028.htm

http://groups.google.com/group/uk.en...74ca76ce0134a4

http://webpages.charter.net/harkj/maaps/page11.html
Forgot to add this link. Scroll down the page until you get to
"* Update * 01/DEC/2006".
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Old 11-10-2009, 06:51 PM   #48
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this system powersave is not a gimmick but it is not without some serious flaws. first off, the resistance flow which is where the most energy is wasted, can only be estimated and averaged with this device. the capacitors are in most cases overcharged and costing more energy as there is no way for this system to automatically adjust to the different loads throughout the day. In a climate like arizona where the AC is running nonstop, it might show savings maybe up to 15% but it is useless in the midwest due to the varying degrees of peaks in resistance throughout the seasons.

there is only one model out there that will automatically thru the use of relays adjust the capacitance thus optimizing the efficiency thru the house. This devise is also available for commercial applications.

I have copies of a test home's ac bills that show a 53% reduction in energy consumption with this unit on his home. I can email those if you like.

This unit is not cheap, but it is NOT a gimmick either. You will be hearing a lot more about this product in the near future. it is called POWER-CEO. This stands for Power Computerized energy optimizer. I will be happy to share about this if you like
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Old 11-10-2009, 06:58 PM   #49
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you sound angry... and i agree that most of the crap out there is crap. however, underwriters laboratory and energy star do not certify crap. (by the way... it is NOT illegal to initiate capacitance on the box side of the meter)
powerceo is certified ... I have seen the in and out readings while hooked up and I can testify that this is not CRAP.

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Old 11-10-2009, 07:04 PM   #50
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I'm not sure who you are talking to as this thread is 2 years old
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Old 11-10-2009, 07:06 PM   #51
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Old 02-24-2010, 05:17 PM   #52
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The "Power Save 1200" sells for $300.00. Without satisfactory results return it within 60 days for a full refund. I've read the return policy. Full refund does not include your shipping or theirs. There is also a 25% restocking charge for returned working products. My guess is you could recover $200.00. Not quite a full refund. Has anyone installed this product and not seen a savings? Has anyone returned it?
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Yes this is 2 yrs old topic.
I installed 2 of these. Each gets plugged to an outlet that's connected to one side of the panel bus. Since it plugs in,-- I tested by plugging it into a digital power readout, which I then connected various household motorized appliances.

The Results--No difference in power consumption, nada, zilch, zippo.

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