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Old 02-25-2012, 07:07 PM   #16
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the sad part is if that money were spent on insulation, caulk, and cfl's you could really save some money.

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Old 02-25-2012, 09:02 PM   #17
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The Energy Crusher work very well i have had it in my home in New Jersey for the past 13 months each month shows a reduction of KWATTS used The same people who dont think it works are the same people who 30 years ago thought a TANK LESS HOT WATER HEATER WOULDNT WORK EITHER THEY WOULD SAY HOW CAN THIS LITTLE HEATER OF HOT WATER HEAT OUR ENTIRE HOME WELL IT DOES
That's the worst analogy ever. Tankless water heaters have been around for decades and the electric ones still suck most of the time.
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Old 02-25-2012, 09:29 PM   #18
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We enjoy our electric tankless water heater. But the savings on our tankless water heater has been very little. Mostly they are nice for space saving and convenience of never running out. Since they never run out of hot water we seem to take longer showers and use up more hot water. I think the most we ever saved in a month was 5% when I was keeping track.
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the sad part is if that money were spent on insulation, caulk, and cfl's you could really save some money.

holy cow is that ever true! When I discovered that our attic had a pathetic R13 in it, we spent $1k to fluff that place up to R50. Our home went from freezing and drafty to down right tropical overnight!

CFL's are also brilliant for other cost-saving measures than just the electric bill. We have certain areas which were insufficiently lit. We had 2 options... 1) replace and expand the # of fixtures (ex. near front door) at great expense to us; or 2) replace the bulbs with super bright CFL's!

Our front front and side doors went from very dark / insufficient to super bright with merely the cost of a few CFL bulbs. Brilliant!
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Thanks to everyone for their comments and recommendations. I think I'll pass on purchasing the Energy Crusher based on the majority of the comments that were posted. I'll just start unplugging things and use more CFLs!

However, my sister decided to spend the money on one, so I guess we'll see if it helped her out at all. She's convinced that since she has zone heating and air, (2 units) plus a pool pump that it should help reduce her summer bills. I guess we'll see!

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Thanks to everyone for their comments and recommendations. I think I'll pass on purchasing the Energy Crusher based on the majority of the comments that were posted. I'll just start unplugging things and use more CFLs!

However, my sister decided to spend the money on one, so I guess we'll see if it helped her out at all. She's convinced that since she has zone heating and air, (2 units) plus a pool pump that it should help reduce her summer bills. I guess we'll see!

Thanks again.
She wasted her money, and will continue to spend more. Habits have to be changed, homes need air sealed to keep drafts away, and those rooms with direct sun, you take advantage of it on cold days, block on warmer. Also making aure that the attic space has sufficient drafting to keep it cool also helps.
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I watched the video. Seems to me if I had a great product I'd show my face.......
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However, my sister decided to spend the money on one, so I guess we'll see if it helped her out at all. She's convinced that since she has zone heating and air, (2 units) plus a pool pump that it should help reduce her summer bills. I guess we'll see!
The thing is, even if her house had enough motors to have a seriously lagging power factor, adding correction wouldn't save her any money. Correcting power factor saves on what is called "reactive power". Utilities care about reactive power because loads with seriously poor power factors increase the amount of current they have to push through their distribution lines. In industrial areas where there are plants with huge motors, you often seen capacitor banks installed on a utility pole or near the plant's service entrance.

However, residential electric meters don't measure reactive power. They only measure real power. So correcting power factor and reducing reactive power in a residence won't make a penny's worth of difference in the electric bill.

(The other thing is, what with all of the electronics a typical home has these days, the home's average power factor is probably already leading. All those electronics have capacitors in their power supplies. Adding capacitors will make the power factor worse, not better.)
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As Fa F3 correctly noted, the meter on the panel is measuring real power used.....a poor power factor will not have any effect on KW measured. It measures amps....amps is amps...doesn't matter if the load is leading or lagging the amps....amps is amps....

You sister 'might' see an change....but only because she is now more cognizant of her energy usage.....and will most likely adjust to use less....

That device is about par with other things sold for cars that 'improve' gas mileage....
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Thanks everyone for your input. I was able to convince my sister (based on your comments) that this would not be the best use of her money. She'll take your advice and try to reduce the amount of electricity she uses and tighten up the house some more with insulation, etc.
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Tell your sister to replace half of her lights with CFL's.....that will help a lot.
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According to me there is wastage of power in the transmission and while using the electricity due to various factors. Use of heavy electricity consuming equipments leads to wastage of electricity due to low power factor. What these devices basically do is they just improve the power factor of your electric connection by storing electricity in the capacitors fitted inside them and release them back in to the electric network every 20 secs. So there is something called power factor improvement which can save the usage of electricity and reduce your electric bills. It is very useful for small and large business especially. And recently I heard ****** is a good product. It is manufactured by ******
I guess this is gaining popularity now a days.
A late arriving shill with his first post. Think he might be involved with the product sales group?

The capacitors he mentions could not be big enough to store any significant amount of power. Also residences and small business do do have a power factor meter and are billed only for real power usage.
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Not to mention a PF correction scheme ahead of the motor might correct the PF for the period the motor is running but if it is wired ahead of switch (ie whole home) it will create the reverse problem when the motor(s) isn't running. So if the motor runs 2 hours a month that period of time is corrected but the other 718 hours a month the PF will be incorrect the other way.....

Bottom line PF correction needs to be done at the motor load in a residence to match correction required. There is not enough disparate inductive loads in a home to do a statistical average of correction. The POCO can do this due to diversity of loads.

In any event it is the electrical equivalent to magic fuel elixirs for cars. Sold by shiny haired leisure suit clad door to door salesmen...

Don' t spend a nickel on this junk......
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PF is not relevant to saving money on your home bill. You are not billed (penalized) for poor power factor like an industrial customer is.
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Thanks everyone for your input. I was able to convince my sister (based on your comments) that this would not be the best use of her money. She'll take your advice and try to reduce the amount of electricity she uses and tighten up the house some more with insulation, etc.
Suggest to your sister an energy audit which the local utility may over. This will help identify areas where she can save money. Also look into alternative energy suppliers. Veridian is one I use locally.

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