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sheltonfilms 04-22-2013 10:42 PM

Possible 404.9(B) Violation
 
New member here. EE grad dealing mostly with DC electronics and a couple summers of experience with a commercial contractor.

So I moved into a new house about a year ago (Built mid 2011) and I was repainting my bathroom yesterday and when I removed the switch covers I noticed the switches weren't grounded. I then removed multiple switch covers around the house and they all were the same as the original. All boxes are plastic and the copper grounding wires are bunched up in the rear of the boxes.

Should this be corrected? I still have warranty under the builder for this, so they would be the ones to correct it.

Also, when I removed the array of lights above the vanity mirror I saw it wasn't grounded either, but I couldn't find a code on this one.

I know they chances of this being an issue is slim, but I do believe in having everything to code. What do you guys think?

I know when I worked commercial we had an inspector check our work every step that we took but I don't quite know about residential besides the inspections completed by the buyer of the house, which I know wouldn't have caught this due to not being able to remove parts of the home.

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RWolff 04-22-2013 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sheltonfilms (Post 1165310)
All boxes are plastic and the copper grounding wires are bunched up in the rear of the boxes.

Also, when I removed the array of lights above the vanity mirror I saw it wasn't grounded either, but I couldn't find a code on this one.


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Z...28Large%29.JPG

Looks like another "pro" chop job there, despite a license and all the rest, clearly they didn't matter when the guy who put these in just decided to heck with it no one will see it, and rushed the job then put the covers on and got his check.
Another reason not to trust someone else's work, and to always check things like this with your own eyes and verify it's right.
That job is about what a novice do-it-yourselfer would have done using a "how to" book, but he skipped chapter 5 or something.


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I know they chances of this being an issue is slim,
Slim, untill something happens- there's no ground there, I'd say that's an issue!

jdoubleu 04-22-2013 11:01 PM

everything electrical with any metal should be grounded. especially if it has a green ground screw

BigJimmy 04-22-2013 11:20 PM

In that second photo (which looks like part of a lighting fixture body), how hard would it have been to connect the ground to the green stud marked GND?!

I hate ****ty installs.

Billy_Bob 04-23-2013 12:18 AM

Yes those grounds should be connected!

Shameful electrical work! I would check every single electrical thing in the house and report this to the electrical inspector.

Don't forget to check the electric water heater if you have one and 240 volt appliance outlets, outdoor outlets, etc.

Sometimes there are junction boxes in an attic or crawlspace, look for those.

P.S. Inform your neighbors if it is a housing development.

theatretch85 04-23-2013 01:56 AM

I think that light fixture needs to be installed over a box, that looks like the cable just comes in through the back and is just screwed right to the wall.

stickboy1375 04-23-2013 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by theatretch85 (Post 1165389)
I think that light fixture needs to be installed over a box, that looks like the cable just comes in through the back and is just screwed right to the wall.

I concur, the light fixture does indeed need to be installed over a fixture box.

Speedy Petey 04-23-2013 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RWolff (Post 1165320)
Looks like another "pro" chop job there, despite a license and all the rest, clearly they didn't matter when the guy who put these in just decided to heck with it no one will see it, and rushed the job then put the covers on and got his check.

Doubtful. Looks to me like another all-in-one contractor job. I see them all the time here in NY where no licensing is required in most areas.

stickboy1375 04-23-2013 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey (Post 1165420)
Doubtful. Looks to me like another all-in-one contractor job. I see them all the time here in NY where no licensing is required in most areas.

Working in NY scares me with some of the stuff I come across, I call the locals 'woodchucks', completely different lifestyle for sure...

Speedy Petey 04-23-2013 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by stickboy1375 (Post 1165426)
Working in NY scares me with some of the stuff I come across, I call the locals 'woodchucks', completely different lifestyle for sure...

It kills me when I ask some small time GC "Who does your electrical and plumbing?", and the reply is "Oh, I do it all."

framer52 04-23-2013 07:25 AM

I do a lot of electrical and plumbing work. As far as the electric is concerned, we do have independent electrical inspectors that are supposed to inspect all electrical work.

sheltonfilms 04-23-2013 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BigJimmy (Post 1165338)
In that second photo (which looks like part of a lighting fixture body), how hard would it have been to connect the ground to the green stud marked GND?!

I hate ****ty installs.

Probably didn't connect it since the other end wasn't connect to anything either.

Can you guys explain why you think the plate should be on a fixture box?

Speedy Petey 04-23-2013 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by framer52 (Post 1165440)
I do a lot of electrical and plumbing work. As far as the electric is concerned, we do have independent electrical inspectors that are supposed to inspect all electrical work.

I love my inspector. With that said, they are not exactly the most thorough bunch in NYS. Some are downright shameful as to what they miss or let go.
I don't EVER want to hear "It passed inspection. So I know the job is done properly."

stickboy1375 04-23-2013 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sheltonfilms (Post 1165566)

Can you guys explain why you think the plate should be on a fixture box?

Because an electrical box is required for every fixture, only a few exceptions exist, and in your picture, it isn't one of them. :)

stickboy1375 04-23-2013 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey (Post 1165705)
I love my inspector. With that said, they are not exactly the most thorough bunch in NYS. Some are downright shameful as to what they miss or let go.
I don't EVER want to hear "It passed inspection. So I know the job is done properly."

And then we have people giving terrible advice for free on the internet with crappy inspectors allowing it... :whistling2:


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