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SeaDog1 06-08-2012 11:55 PM

Pool Wiring Question
 
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I am running power out to a sub panel for a SWG and pump to a above ground pool. I talked to a electrician where I work and he explained how i needed to run
it. I have made a diagram how he said and was wondering if it looks like it is
right and will work safe. I plan to have it bonded but did not put it in the diagram. Not sure if just by looking at diagram that you can tell if it is right or
safe but would appreciate any input. Thanks!!

stickboy1375 06-09-2012 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SeaDog1 (Post 939497)
I am running power out to a sub panel for a SWG and pump to a above ground pool. I talked to a electrician where I work and he explained how i needed to run
it. I have made a diagram how he said and was wondering if it looks like it is
right and will work safe. I plan to have it bonded but did not put it in the diagram. Not sure if just by looking at diagram that you can tell if it is right or
safe but would appreciate any input. Thanks!!


I would have the GFCI protection out at the sub panel, and run a bigger feeder than 20 amps....

Glennsparky 06-09-2012 06:04 AM

Hi Seadog1, the diagram looks fine. For code, you do need a GFCI receptacle between 10 and 20 feet of the water's edge. To give you any real feedback we'd need a lot more information. Lengths of all runs. Wire size, wire type and raceway type. Volts and amps of all loads. Depth of trench, if digging. Where the wire is being run. Is there an underwater light? Are you planning any future loads for that subpanel? Hint, Switch the GFCI breaker to the sub panel.

Glennsparky 06-09-2012 06:07 AM

Stickboy is right, minimum 30 amps to any subpanel as per code.

stickboy1375 06-09-2012 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Glennsparky (Post 939584)
Stickboy is right, minimum 30 amps to any subpanel as per code.

There is no minimum amperage size, but the disconnect rating would have to be a minimum 30 amps for a two circuit install.

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k_buz 06-09-2012 06:20 AM

Pools can be very tricky code wise and I highly suggest that you go over every aspect of the pool wiring and anything associated with the pool.

There are a couple things I would like to point out that you need to do in this specific situation.

1) The wiring to the pool pump motor must be in conduit. No UF cable.
2) The wiring to the pool pump motor must include an insulated ground no smaller than 12AWG.

DBW 06-09-2012 07:40 AM

SeaDog1, have you picked out a chlorine generator yet? The one I have operates on 120v and and requires non-switched power.
Nice ACAD drawing by the way!

SeaDog1 06-09-2012 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Glennsparky (Post 939583)
Hi Seadog1, the diagram looks fine. For code, you do need a GFCI receptacle between 10 and 20 feet of the water's edge. To give you any real feedback we'd need a lot more information. Lengths of all runs. Wire size, wire type and raceway type. Volts and amps of all loads. Depth of trench, if digging. Where the wire is being run. Is there an underwater light? Are you planning any future loads for that subpanel? Hint, Switch the GFCI breaker to the sub panel.

Glennsparky thanks for your response, If I were to put a regular 30 amp breaker in place of the 20 amp GFI and move it into the main feeder of the sub panel would that work? Also I'm using 10/4 UF wire
and its about an 80' run and will be buried 24" no conduit and using all water tight connections into the boxes. The wire out of the sub panel to the pump motor and to the SWG is a 12/3 stainless braided wire like we use on a offshore tug. The pump motor says MaxAmps 7.8-7.4/14.8 and the SWG says 220-250VAC,1A,50/60HZ if that makes sense? I have no underwater light.

SeaDog1 06-09-2012 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DBW (Post 939625)
SeaDog1, have you picked out a chlorine generator yet? The one I have operates on 120v and and requires non-switched power.
Nice ACAD drawing by the way!

Thanks for that!! Yes I have the Hayward Aqua Rite Chlorine Generator and its set up for 220 it comes with flow switch but have read it's recommended that you tie it into pump in case it fails.

stickboy1375 06-09-2012 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SeaDog1 (Post 939675)
Glennsparky thanks for your response, If I were to put a regular 30 amp breaker in place of the 20 amp GFI and move it into the main feeder of the sub panel would that work? Also I'm using 10/4 UF wire
and its about an 80' run and will be buried 24" no conduit and using all water tight connections into the boxes. The wire out of the sub panel to the pump motor and to the SWG is a 12/3 stainless braided wire like we use on a offshore tug. The pump motor says MaxAmps 7.8-7.4/14.8 and the SWG says 220-250VAC,1A,50/60HZ if that makes sense? I have no underwater light.

You can't use the UF wire, sorry...

SeaDog1 06-09-2012 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by stickboy1375 (Post 939682)
You can't use the UF wire, sorry...

Is it because it's not in conduit or its not code?

stickboy1375 06-09-2012 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SeaDog1 (Post 939714)
Is it because it's not in conduit or its not code?

Doesn't meet code.... The only place you can use NM type cable for permanently installed pools is on the interior of a One-Family dwelling... You have to use conduit.

My guess on why they require this is because they don't want the equipment grounding conductor being compromised.

SeaDog1 06-09-2012 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by stickboy1375 (Post 939716)
Doesn't meet code.... The only place you can use NM type cable for permanently installed pools is on the interior of a One-Family dwelling... You have to use conduit.

My guess on why they require this is because they don't want the equipment grounding conductor being compromised.

Thanks for your input! So even if I put it in conduit I still can't use that wire?

stickboy1375 06-09-2012 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SeaDog1 (Post 939721)
Thanks for your input! So even if I put it in conduit I still can't use that wire?

That would be correct... You really should run a larger feeder out to that panel anyway, you need a general purpose gfci protected receptacle not less than 10' and not more than 20' from the inside wall of the pool.... ( the 10' min is from the 2005 nec, I know this changed to 6' in later editions of the NEC, so you'll have to check this one out depending on where you live)

SeaDog1 06-09-2012 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by stickboy1375 (Post 939722)
That would be correct... You really should run a feeder out to that panel anyway, you need a general purpose gfci protected receptacle not less than 10' and not more than 20' from the inside wall of the pool.... ( the 10' min is from the 2005 nec, I know this changed to 6' in later editions of the NEC, so you'll have to check this one out depending on where you live)

Thats why I call this @%$! pool anotherhundred every time I turn around its another $100.....what wire do I need to use?....never mind I see your Quote!


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