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Old 08-23-2011, 09:09 AM   #1
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Hi All,
Please HELP!!!! trying to make sure my above ground pool is wired correctly.
I am having an issue when connecting bonding wire to pool motor GFCI breaker pops.
My set up....
Main panel has 30 amp GFCI breaker feeding a sub panel in the SHED.
From the shed I have 15 amp line going to a gfci outlet that the pool motor plugs into. The pool has a #6 copper wire attached to each metal point and then goes to a separate grounding rod . I then ran a #6 copper wire from this separate grounding rod to the motor casing. The motor has a pig tail that just plugs into the outlet.
The problem....
If motor is bonded to ground rod the Main panel GFCI breaker trips.
If I use a regular breaker the GFCI outlet does not trip.
If I remove the Bond from the motor the main panel GFCI works fine.

Shouldn't the motor be Bonded to the rest of the metal parts on the pool?

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Old 08-23-2011, 09:22 AM   #2
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Your post is somewhat confusing. Is the bond wire connected to the GFI?

You do not need the ground rod at the pool.

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Old 08-23-2011, 09:37 AM   #3
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Your post is somewhat confusing. Is the bond wire connected to the GFI?

You do not need the ground rod at the pool.
The bond wire is attached to the motor. The motor has a screw on the case for bonding.

I thought the rod is needed for bonding pool?
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Old 08-23-2011, 09:42 AM   #4
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So you have a two pole 30 GFI in the panel and a 15 amp GFI for the pool?
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So you have a two pole 30 GFI in the panel and a 15 amp GFI for the pool?
two pole 30 amp GFCI breaker in the main panel.
15 amp regular breaker in the sub panel that goes to GFCI outlet.
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Old 08-23-2011, 09:56 AM   #6
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While Jim works on your GFCI issue, let me ask you a question.

What type of wiring method feeds the receptacle?
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If motor is bonded to ground rod the Main panel GFCI breaker trips.
If I use a regular breaker the GFCI outlet does not trip.
If I remove the Bond from the motor the main panel GFCI works fine.

Shouldn't the motor be Bonded to the rest of the metal parts on the pool?
The motor must be bonded to the rest of the metal parts (the equipotential bonding grid). The problem you are describing sounds like the motor has a ground fault and the GFCI is doing its job. When the motor chassis is not bonded, the fault to the chassis has no path to ground so no current flows and the GFCI doesn't trip.
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While Jim works on your GFCI issue, let me ask you a question.

What type of wiring method feeds the receptacle?
12/2 romex
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The motor must be bonded to the rest of the metal parts (the equipotential bonding grid). The problem you are describing sounds like the motor has a ground fault and the GFCI is doing its job. When the motor chassis is not bonded, the fault to the chassis has no path to ground so no current flows and the GFCI doesn't trip.
So are you saying the motor is bad?
Is the bond supposed to be isolated from the ground in the motor?
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12/2 romex
Pools require an insulated grounding conductor which neither UF or NM-B does not have. Also Type NM-B cannot be used outdoors, even in conduit.
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Pools require an insulated grounding conductor which neither UF or NM-B does not have. Also Type NM-B cannot be used outdoors, even in conduit.
Yeppers, sounds like this install was not inspected.
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Pools require an insulated grounding conductor which neither UF or NM-B does not have. Also Type NM-B cannot be used outdoors, even in conduit.
You lost me..
The bounding cable is #6 copper not insulated.
The 15 amp 12/2 romex is inside shed not outside.
It is not exposed to weather.
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How is the electricity delivered from the shed to your outlet that the pump plugs into? UF, NM, THWN, etc, underground and/or in conduit?
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I can only suggest you get a real electrician, who is familiar with pool wiring, to come out and look at this mess. There is far too much wrong here to fix via remote control.

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